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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:35 pm
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:35 pm
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:35 pm
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:34 pm
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:23 am
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On or around Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:04:27 GMT, "Speedgazebo"
<nick.aird.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> enlightened us thusly:
>Signed.
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>What about http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/MotorcycleSafety/ ?
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>Speedgazebo
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I like the idea, but I'm not sure you can do it... mind you, steel toecap
boots are exempt, as "safety equipment", so it's possible - it would mean
that they'd need to be called "safety boots" and not "cool bike bootz",
ditto other stuff, "safety oversuit" not "race leathers", probably.
but still, I'll sign it.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:23 am
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:26 pm
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:47:32 +0000, Austin Shackles wrote:
> sign it! 
>
No
> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SORN-rules/
Poorly worded and a waste of time IMO.
Clicking on a few web thingies is not the end of the world.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 5:24 am
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On or around Fri, 25 Jan 2008 22:12:33 GMT, YTC#1 <bdp.RemoveThis@ytc1NOARGYBEEF.co.uk>
enlightened us thusly:
>On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:47:32 +0000, Austin Shackles wrote:
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>> sign it!
>>
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>No
Up to you.
>
>> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SORN-rules/
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>Poorly worded and a waste of time IMO.
>Clicking on a few web thingies is not the end of the world.
out of mild interest, in what way do you think it's poorly worded? aside
from one typo that got through despite my reading it about 6 times...
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:14 pm
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:39:31 +0000, Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Fri, 25 Jan 2008 22:12:33 GMT, YTC#1 <bdp.DeleteThis@ytc1NOARGYBEEF.co.uk>
> enlightened us thusly:
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>>On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:47:32 +0000, Austin Shackles wrote:
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>>> sign it!
>>>
>>
>>No
>
> Up to you.
Ta, I don't like be ordered around
>>
>>> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SORN-rules/
>>
>>Poorly worded and a waste of time IMO.
>>Clicking on a few web thingies is not the end of the world.
>
> out of mild interest, in what way do you think it's poorly worded? aside
> from one typo that got through despite my reading it about 6 times...
Ok, so just the pre "more info" bit.
But, I disagree that once a SORN is declared it remains off road. A scrote
will not be bothered, you may sell it and not declare the sale etc etc.
I keep 2 off road, I get a reminder, I SORN them, I don't forget. I keep 2
cars and 3 bikes on the road, I get reminders, I tax them, I don't forget.
I have no issue with SORN.
Now....
people who park on yellow lines.
people who have reg plates that spell "WANKER".
people who insist on using fog lights when not foggy.
These things I do have an issue with ........
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:12 pm
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On or around Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:49:59 GMT, YTC#1 <bdp DeleteThis @ytc1NOARGYBEEF.co.uk>
enlightened us thusly:
>But, I disagree that once a SORN is declared it remains off road. A scrote
>will not be bothered, you may sell it and not declare the sale etc etc.
If you sell it and don't declare it, then anything the scrote does is traced
back to you... no thank you...
>I keep 2 off road, I get a reminder, I SORN them, I don't forget. I keep 2
>cars and 3 bikes on the road, I get reminders, I tax them, I don't forget.
>I have no issue with SORN.
I have no issue with SORN, but it still only needs declaring once per
vehicle/SORN period.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:29 pm
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:12:30 +0000, Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:49:59 GMT, YTC#1 <bdp DeleteThis @ytc1NOARGYBEEF.co.uk>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>But, I disagree that once a SORN is declared it remains off road. A scrote
>>will not be bothered, you may sell it and not declare the sale etc etc.
>
> If you sell it and don't declare it, then anything the scrote does is traced
> back to you... no thank you...
>
>>I keep 2 off road, I get a reminder, I SORN them, I don't forget. I keep 2
>>cars and 3 bikes on the road, I get reminders, I tax them, I don't forget.
>>I have no issue with SORN.
>
> I have no issue with SORN, but it still only needs declaring once per
> vehicle/SORN period.
And each SORN period has been declared as 12months by the government
A lot of people complain about SORN because the "forget" to do it and then
get upset when they are fined. Just like they "forget" they are speeding,
"forget" that there are yellow lines under their wheels etc
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:27 am
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On or around Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:29:37 GMT, YTC#1 <bdp.TakeThisOut@ytc1NOARGYBEEF.co.uk>
enlightened us thusly:
>On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:12:30 +0000, Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> On or around Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:49:59 GMT, YTC#1 <bdp.TakeThisOut@ytc1NOARGYBEEF.co.uk>
>> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>>But, I disagree that once a SORN is declared it remains off road. A scrote
>>>will not be bothered, you may sell it and not declare the sale etc etc.
>>
>> If you sell it and don't declare it, then anything the scrote does is traced
>> back to you... no thank you...
>>
>>>I keep 2 off road, I get a reminder, I SORN them, I don't forget. I keep 2
>>>cars and 3 bikes on the road, I get reminders, I tax them, I don't forget.
>>>I have no issue with SORN.
>>
>> I have no issue with SORN, but it still only needs declaring once per
>> vehicle/SORN period.
>
>And each SORN period has been declared as 12months by the government
which is the stupid bit...
>
>A lot of people complain about SORN because the "forget" to do it and then
>get upset when they are fined. Just like they "forget" they are speeding,
>"forget" that there are yellow lines under their wheels etc
that's not the main issue, really - I don't really mind paying 40 quid for
being so careless as to forget to renew it, seeing as I know the rules.
However, there's still no point in it needing renewing - I've not seen
anyone advance a good reason for renewing it annually, or any credible
benefit from so doing.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:15 am
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:32 am
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On or around Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:19:40 +0000, Grimly Curmudgeon
<grimly4REMOVE RemoveThis @REMOVEgmail.com> enlightened us thusly:
>We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>drugs began to take hold. I remember Austin Shackles
><austinDITCHTHISFORBETTERRESULTS RemoveThis @ddol-las.net> saying something like:
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>> mind you, steel toecap
>>boots are exempt, as "safety equipment", so it's possible - it would mean
>>that they'd need to be called "safety boots" and not "cool bike bootz",
>
>Those 'cool bike boots' can cut yer toes off in an accident. Not so safe
>then.
well, yeah. It was just a comment about nomenclature - if you want
vat-exempt 'cos it's "safety apparatus" then it's liable to have to be known
as such, not as a "go-faster race suit".
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:21 pm
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:49:59 GMT, YTC#1 <bdp.DeleteThis@ytc1NOARGYBEEF.co.uk>
wrote:
>But, I disagree that once a SORN is declared it remains off road. A scrote
>will not be bothered, you may sell it and not declare the sale etc etc.
Well, any vehicle that's not taxed must by default be off-road unless
it's being used illegally, so the declaration is utterly redundant in
the first place. The current system doesn't stop someone from making a
declaration then simply using a vehicle anyway; it's just a PITA (OK,
a minor one) for the vast majority who don't take the piss. It smells
of control-freakery. IMO a government should strive to tread as
lightly as possible while maintaining a society.
I suppose there may be some sort of legal gotcha where they can
penalize for making a false declaration in addition to driving
untaxed, but that's the only 'benefit' that I can see.
>Now....
>people who insist on using fog lights when not foggy.
These should be shot. No mercy.
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