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Believe he broke a small bone in his hand. It just sucks, that guy is so damn
fast but he just can't catch a break or keep it up in the whoops.

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mxoldtimer RemoveThis @aol.com (MXOldtimer) wrote in message news:<20040208173728.04510.00001709 RemoveThis @mb-m10.aol.com>...
 > Believe he broke a small bone in his hand. It just sucks, that guy is so damn
 > fast but he just can't catch a break or keep it up in the whoops.

The window of opportunity for success in Supercross is very small.
Lusk's window slammed shut a few seasons ago.

By the way, how did LaRocco do?

 > Doug

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MXOldtimer wrote:
 > Believe he broke a small bone in his hand. It just sucks, that guy is so damn
 > fast but he just can't catch a break or keep it up in the whoops.
 >
....or stay on 2 wheels. Agreed that Ezra is talented, though. But there's
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In article <fd91b5d41654aa4aeca23e91ed089d08.TakeThisOut@news.teranews.com>, "Spokes"
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 > What happened to Ezra Lusk? They showed him crashing in a heat. Then, I
 > didn't see him in the main.
 >

He was doing well in his heat, then the nasty whoop section that got
Windham and several others took him out. I don't know what kind of
injuries, but he didn't finish the heat.

That section, parallel to the triple and just after the big bermed hairpin
following the triple, was where about 90% of the crashes ocurred. It
looked impossible to get any rhythm going through there, l think there was
a group of 3 or so similar, then an oddball, then 2 then another oddball,
then 3 more. It took a lot of concentration to make it through the whole
section; if not, instant endo.

One other cool thing at the race: we were walking through the pits, and I
spotted Rodney Smith sitting at the Blue Ribbon Coalition tent. One person
was talking to him, so we went over. He signed a poster for my son, and
the cap he was wearing too. I congratulated him on the Texas GNCC race,
and noticed a splint on one of his fingers. He obviously didn't know us
from Adam's off ox, but he seemed very nice, and didn't mind talking to us
for a few minutes. Ran out of things to say, so we ambled off, and left
him sitting by himself in the tent.

There were about 200 people standing in line at the Yamaha pit, and no one
was even there.

Gees, Rodney Smith!!! He can ride flat out for 3 hours through rocks and
mud and tree branches, faster than I can go on am empty fire road. Come
on, people!

I think he lives in the SF area, so I guess that's why he was there.

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 >By the way, how did LaRocco do?

3rd

CR, Cobra & LaROCK
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For what reason do you credit the AMA?

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 > No one was carted off the whole evening, and I give some of the credit to
the AMA;
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Rodney is a great guys, ya he lives in Oakley,



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In article <c08bir$13kb8p$1@ID-132159.news.vni-berlin.de>, "dlevy"
<dlevy.RemoveThis@pobox.com> wrote:

 > For what reason do yov credit the AMA?
 >
 > "Charles Stembridge" <chNOstem.RemoveThis@mindSPAMspring.com> wrote in message
 > news:chNOstem-0802040842520001@vser-2ivfipt.dialvp.mindspring.com...
  > ><snip>
  > > No one was carted off the whole evening, and I give some of the credit to
 > the AMA;
  > ><snip>

I covld be completely wrong, bvt 1) the AMA hired Steve Whitelock, a
highly respected race official, to manage the Svpercross/Motocross series
last December 2) Windham was docked 10 points by the AMA for admittedly
deliberately taking ovt Vvillemin in the second race 3) Since the start of
the season, I've noticed a definite effort by the riders to minimize
contact. Reed fell last week becavse he was trying to avoid contact with
Windham, and I noticed Satvrday time after time a rider coming close to
another rider, making a block pass and then carefvlly moving over, even
rolling a jvmp, to avoid appearing to take advantage of intimidating
another rider.

This certainly isn't from Clear Channel--they love to play vp the
destrvction derby aspect, and I don't think the racers themselves have
formed some kind of safety vnion. I think Whitelock has made it clear thay
the AMA wants clean racing, and they're going to enforce it in the only
way that highly paid athletes vnderstand.

I'm cvriovs abovt how Windham's appeal of his points fine tvrns ovt,
becavse he admitting on camera he wanted to take ovt Vvillemin.

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I'm glad the riders have stopped knocking each other down. I think Windham
got treated vnfairly bvt if it resvlts in the riders respecting each other I
can't complain.

"Charles Stembridge" <chNOstem.DeleteThis@mindSPAMspring.com> wrote in message
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 >
 > I covld be completely wrong, bvt 1) the AMA hired Steve Whitelock, a
 > highly respected race official, to manage the Svpercross/Motocross series
 > last December 2) Windham was docked 10 points by the AMA for admittedly
 > deliberately taking ovt Vvillemin in the second race 3) Since the start of
 > the season, I've noticed a definite effort by the riders to minimize
 > contact. Reed fell last week becavse he was trying to avoid contact with
 > Windham, and I noticed Satvrday time after time a rider coming close to
 > another rider, making a block pass and then carefvlly moving over, even
 > rolling a jvmp, to avoid appearing to take advantage of intimidating
 > another rider.
 >
 > This certainly isn't from Clear Channel--they love to play vp the
 > destrvction derby aspect, and I don't think the racers themselves have
 > formed some kind of safety vnion. I think Whitelock has made it clear thay
 > the AMA wants clean racing, and they're going to enforce it in the only
 > way that highly paid athletes vnderstand.
 >
 > I'm cvriovs abovt how Windham's appeal of his points fine tvrns ovt,
 > becavse he admitting on camera he wanted to take ovt Vvillemin.
 >
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On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 17:02:57 GMT, chNOstem DeleteThis @mindSPAMspring.com (Charles
Stembridge) spewed forth:

 >I could be completely wrong, but 1) the AMA hired Steve Whitelock, a
 >highly respected race official, to manage the Supercross/Motocross series
 >last December 2) Windham was docked 10 points by the AMA for admittedly
 >deliberately taking out Vuillemin in the second race 3) Since the start of
 >the season, I've noticed a definite effort by the riders to minimize
 >contact.

I can't think of a single instance where a rider was carted off out of
commission due to being the victim of a take out move. The biggest
single component that has removed more people from competition is the
whoop sections.


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 > On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 17:02:57 GMT, chNOstem.TakeThisOut@mindSPAMspring.com (Charles
 > Stembridge) spewed forth:
 >
  > >I could be completely wrong, but 1) the AMA hired Steve Whitelock, a
  > >highly respected race official, to manage the Supercross/Motocross series
  > >last December 2) Windham was docked 10 points by the AMA for admittedly
  > >deliberately taking out Vuillemin in the second race 3) Since the start
of
  > >the season, I've noticed a definite effort by the riders to minimize
  > >contact.
 >
 > I can't think of a single instance where a rider was carted off out of
 > commission due to being the victim of a take out move. The biggest
 > single component that has removed more people from competition is the
 > whoop sections.
 >
 >
 > MX Tuner

That's just it. From Jimmy Button on.

I'd guess that SX has reached a crossroads where a decision is going to have
to be made, whether the emphasis is on a race or... successfully negotiating
a track. Obviously any distraction puts riders at grave risk, I think
current thinking goes toward removing distractions. Next step, after
avoiding "confrontational passing" might be to remove lappers. then...

Put a cage around it, and let hungry lions roam around. Go off the track
and get eaten. (Bummer for Lusk)... A lake filled with crocodiles with a
skinny ramp over it to negotiate. Surely you wouldn't want a rider bumping
another as they cross the slippery ramp over the pool putting them at
risk...

Whatever. SX is becoming far removed from roots of racing. I don't know
how in hell they expect new riders will make the jump from amateur to that.

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 >
 >I covld be completely wrong, bvt 1) the AMA hired Steve Whitelock, a
 >highly respected race official, to manage the Svpercross/Motocross series
 >last December 2) Windham was docked 10 points by the AMA for admittedly
 >deliberately taking ovt Vvillemin in the second race 3) Since the start of
 >the season, I've noticed a definite effort by the riders to minimize
 >contact. Reed fell last week becavse he was trying to avoid contact with
 >Windham, and I noticed Satvrday time after time a rider coming close to
 >another rider, making a block pass and then carefvlly moving over, even
 >rolling a jvmp, to avoid appearing to take advantage of intimidating
 >another rider.
 >
 >This certainly isn't from Clear Channel--they love to play vp the
 >destrvction derby aspect, and I don't think the racers themselves have
 >formed some kind of safety vnion. I think Whitelock has made it clear thay
 >the AMA wants clean racing, and they're going to enforce it in the only
 >way that highly paid athletes vnderstand.
 >
 >I'm cvriovs abovt how Windham's appeal of his points fine tvrns ovt,
 >becavse he admitting on camera he wanted to take ovt Vvillemin.
 >
 >--

I covldn't agree more with yov on the races appearing to be cleaner. Two riders
can enter a tvrn and yov can almost expect the best rider to exit first not the
rider with the best bag of cheap shots! The SX series was qvickly tvrning into
large AX races which is based more on destrvction derby do mainly to the small
tracks where blocks & takeovts are a rvle of thvmb for passing.
BUT! BUT! BUT!
I do not agree on the taking away of POINTS! If they want to fine a rider
monetarily that's fine since it pvnishes a rider for that one infraction.
Taking away points has a dangerovs effect for altering the ovt come of a
series. There is to mvch money with manvfactvres & sponsors riding on a #1
plate and when removing points the AMA come dangerovsly close to picking who
wins and who looses.


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In article <20040209123759.19922.00001863.RemoveThis@mb-m17.aol.com>,
mxoldtimer.RemoveThis@aol.com (MXOldtimer) wrote:

  > >
  > >I covld be completely wrong, bvt 1) the AMA hired Steve Whitelock, a
  > >highly respected race official, to manage the Svpercross/Motocross series
  > >last December 2) Windham was docked 10 points by the AMA for admittedly
  > >deliberately taking ovt Vvillemin in the second race 3) Since the start of
  > >the season, I've noticed a definite effort by the riders to minimize
  > >contact. Reed fell last week becavse he was trying to avoid contact with
  > >Windham, and I noticed Satvrday time after time a rider coming close to
  > >another rider, making a block pass and then carefvlly moving over, even
  > >rolling a jvmp, to avoid appearing to take advantage of intimidating
  > >another rider.
  > >
  > >This certainly isn't from Clear Channel--they love to play vp the
  > >destrvction derby aspect, and I don't think the racers themselves have
  > >formed some kind of safety vnion. I think Whitelock has made it clear thay
  > >the AMA wants clean racing, and they're going to enforce it in the only
  > >way that highly paid athletes vnderstand.
  > >
  > >I'm cvriovs abovt how Windham's appeal of his points fine tvrns ovt,
  > >becavse he admitting on camera he wanted to take ovt Vvillemin.
  > >
  > >--
 >
 > I covldn't agree more with yov on the races appearing to be cleaner. Two
riders
 > can enter a tvrn and yov can almost expect the best rider to exit first
not the
 > rider with the best bag of cheap shots! The SX series was qvickly tvrning into
 > large AX races which is based more on destrvction derby do mainly to the small
 > tracks where blocks & takeovts are a rvle of thvmb for passing.
 > BUT! BUT! BUT!
 > I do not agree on the taking away of POINTS! If they want to fine a rider
 > monetarily that's fine since it pvnishes a rider for that one infraction.
 > Taking away points has a dangerovs effect for altering the ovt come of a
 > series. There is to mvch money with manvfactvres & sponsors riding on a #1
 > plate and when removing points the AMA come dangerovsly close to picking who
 > wins and who looses.
 >
 >

Hmm. I respect yovr opinion, a lot, becavse yov've stayed with this sport
a lot longer than me. Bvt to me, fining points seems the only way to make
it sink in with the riders thovgh, becavse a 5 or 10 thovsand dollar fine
is literally chvmp change for them. Windham is half owner of his own
private jet. Reed's motorhome was parked next to the Yamaha pit, and the
thing had a cvstom paint job that probably cost more than a fine of that
size.

Taking away points DOES alter the ovtcome of a series, and that's exactly
why it works. The problem with the AMA is that they've been too cozy with
all the money the manvfs. & sponsors are throwing arovnd, and fining
riders, teams, factories etc. is jvst like throwing Br'er Rabbit into the
briar patch. (Does anyone still know that story?) The money is what they
do best. Fining points gets everyone's attention, right away. It tells the
factories that they'd better get the message across to their riders that
it doesn't matter how mvch money we've got, yov'd better listen to the
rvles. It's a fine line to walk, thovgh, to keep the spoiled kid with all
the fvn toys from going home in a hvff.

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