Running In new engine

On 3/9/04 12:56 PM, in article qsmfj0hr81epj9tq90c3iaojg4c64a1c84.RemoveThis@4ax.com,
"paulh" <paulh.RemoveThis@fahncahn.com> decided to come out from under the bed and
slurred:

 > On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 01:08:44 GMT, Stephen Calder <calder9.RemoveThis@in.com.au>
 > wrote:
   >>> Any comments / Advice?
  >>
  >> Have a look at this. The guy at the shop understated it. Ride the hell
  >> out of it if it's not too late already. The car people say the same and
  >> the manufacturers......seem to be misleading us!
  >>
  >>
<font color=green>  >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm</font" target="_blank">http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm</font</a>>
 >
 > yeah...those evil car manafacturers....
 >
 > Think about it.
 > He's claiming 2-10% more horsepower if you run it in his way.
 > Thus all Honda would need to do to make their SportbikeA beat another
 > manafacturers SportbikeA is to run it in his way. And yet...
 > amazingly, they don't do it. And never have done.. weird innit??
 >
 > paulh

That said, it may have been true when he wrote that. I don¹t have anything
to back up either side, but stranger things have happened (and worse things
too!).

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On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 07:27:21 GMT, Stephen Calder <calder9.TakeThisOut@in.com.au> wrote:
  >> Think about it.
  >> He's claiming 2-10% more horsepower if you run it in his way.
  >> Thus all Honda would need to do to make their SportbikeA beat another
  >> manafacturers SportbikeA is to run it in his way. And yet...
  >> amazingly, they don't do it. And never have done.. weird innit??
  >>
  >> paulh
 >
 >Are you sure they follow their own advice to customers when breaking in
 >new bikes?

But I'm not stating that, am I?

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"paulh" <paulh DeleteThis @fahncahn.com> wrote:
 > Think about it.
 > He's claiming 2-10% more horsepower if you run it in his way.
 > Thus all Honda would need to do to make their SportbikeA beat another
 > manafacturers SportbikeA is to run it in his way. And yet...
 > amazingly, they don't do it. And never have done.. weird innit??
 >
Maybe they DO do it and that's why the factory bikes are always faster than
the customer bikes. (And the ones they get tested are always better too!)
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Dave Milligan <dave.TakeThisOut@SPAMTRAPgetrouted.com.au> wrote in message news:<lmrfj0piao8ttt23ooktenpbamj5dua8s2.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>...
 > On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 12:56:43 +1000, paulh <paulh.TakeThisOut@fahncahn.com> wrote:
 >
   > >>http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
  > >
  > >yeah...those evil car manafacturers....
  > >
  > >Think about it.
  > >He's claiming 2-10% more horsepower if you run it in his way.
  > >Thus all Honda would need to do to make their SportbikeA beat another
  > >manafacturers SportbikeA is to run it in his way. And yet...
  > >amazingly, they don't do it. And never have done.. weird innit??
  > >
 > I was talking to a Kawasaki dealer the other day and he said he had
 > seen new bikes at the Kawasaki factory in Hammamatsu (sp) in Japan and
 > this is what they were doing. Reving the nuts off new bikes on a dyno
 > after a warm up period.
 >
 > I saw the same thing at the Hinckley Triumph factory in 2000 & 2001.
 >
 > Every new Triumph coming off their assembly line went on to the
 > rolling road dyno and was run at what sounded like max revs for at
 > least 5 minutes.
 >
 > So it could well be that those bikes arrive at the dealers more or
 > less *run in*, which could be why dealers these days say "just ride
 > it".

They're not running the engine in when they do that. It's basically
the final assembly test before crating the bike up for delivery. If
the engine line monkeys didn't put all the nuts & bolts together
properly, a few minutes of full revs before it's out the factory door
is one way to see if the engine is going to throw something and eat
itself early in it's life. It's not new either, I've seen video
footage of exactly the same thing being done at Suzuki when the first
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On 4 Sep 2004 22:07:19 -0700, garethbull DeleteThis @relax.com.au (Gareth B)
wrote:


  >> Every new Triumph coming off their assembly line went on to the
  >> rolling road dyno and was run at what sounded like max revs for at
  >> least 5 minutes.
  >>
  >> So it could well be that those bikes arrive at the dealers more or
  >> less *run in*, which could be why dealers these days say "just ride
  >> it".
 >
 >They're not running the engine in when they do that. It's basically
 >the final assembly test before crating the bike up for delivery. If
 >the engine line monkeys didn't put all the nuts & bolts together
 >properly, a few minutes of full revs before it's out the factory door
 >is one way to see if the engine is going to throw something and eat
 >itself early in it's life. It's not new either, I've seen video
 >footage of exactly the same thing being done at Suzuki when the first
 >generation of GSX-R's came out (mid 80's?).

Gareth,

I accept that the purpose may not be for "running in" but surely it
does (partially) achieve that anyway.

Kind regards
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Stephen Calder wrote:
 >
 > paulh wrote:
 >
  > > On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 01:08:44 GMT, Stephen Calder <calder9 DeleteThis @in.com.au>
  > > wrote:
  > >
   > >>>Any comments / Advice?
   > >>
   > >>Have a look at this. The guy at the shop understated it. Ride the hell
   > >>out of it if it's not too late already. The car people say the same and
   > >>the manufacturers......seem to be misleading us!
   > >>
   > >>
   > >>http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
  > >
  > >
  > > yeah...those evil car manafacturers....
  > >
  > > Think about it.
  > > He's claiming 2-10% more horsepower if you run it in his way.
  > > Thus all Honda would need to do to make their SportbikeA beat another
  > > manafacturers SportbikeA is to run it in his way. And yet...
  > > amazingly, they don't do it. And never have done.. weird innit??
  > >
  > > paulh
 >
 > Are you sure they follow their own advice to customers when breaking in
 > new bikes?

I doubt they care one way or the other... they're not likely to keep the bike
long enough for it to matter to them.

Nev..
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Nev.. wrote:

 > Stephen Calder wrote:
 >
  >>paulh wrote:
  >>
  >>
   >>>On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 01:08:44 GMT, Stephen Calder <calder9.DeleteThis@in.com.au>
   >>>wrote:
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>>>Any comments / Advice?
   >>>>
   >>>>Have a look at this. The guy at the shop understated it. Ride the hell
   >>>>out of it if it's not too late already. The car people say the same and
   >>>>the manufacturers......seem to be misleading us!
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>yeah...those evil car manafacturers....
   >>>
   >>>Think about it.
   >>>He's claiming 2-10% more horsepower if you run it in his way.
   >>>Thus all Honda would need to do to make their SportbikeA beat another
   >>>manafacturers SportbikeA is to run it in his way. And yet...
   >>>amazingly, they don't do it. And never have done.. weird innit??
   >>>
   >>>paulh
  >>
  >>Are you sure they follow their own advice to customers when breaking in
  >>new bikes?
 >
 >
 > I doubt they care one way or the other... they're not likely to keep the bike
 > long enough for it to matter to them.
 >
 > Nev..
 > '03 ZX12R


I'm talking about bikes for racing and such.....

I bet they don't do what they tell customers to do.

--
Stephen
Byron Bay, Australia
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Stephen Calder wrote:

   > >>Are you sure they follow their own advice to customers when breaking in
   > >>new bikes?
  > >
  > >
  > > I doubt they care one way or the other... they're not likely to keep the bike
  > > long enough for it to matter to them.
  > >
  > > Nev..
  > > '03 ZX12R
 >
 > I'm talking about bikes for racing and such.....
 >
 > I bet they don't do what they tell customers to do.

Why do you think they would treat race bikes the same way they would treat a
new bike for road use? If engine parts wears out prematurely in a race bike,
they just replace them. They probably replace them even if they haven't worn
out.

Nev..
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paulh wrote:
 > On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 07:27:21 GMT, Stephen Calder <calder9.RemoveThis@in.com.au> wrote:
 >
   >>>Think about it.
   >>>He's claiming 2-10% more horsepower if you run it in his way.
   >>>Thus all Honda would need to do to make their SportbikeA beat another
   >>>manafacturers SportbikeA is to run it in his way. And yet...
   >>>amazingly, they don't do it. And never have done.. weird innit??
   >>>
   >>>paulh
  >>
  >>Are you sure they follow their own advice to customers when breaking in
  >>new bikes?
 >
 >
 > But I'm not stating that, am I?
 >
 > paulh


You said they don't do it (ie break-in running hard). Am I thick or are
you confused?

Are you SURE they don't break 'em in hard?

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Stephen
Byron Bay, Australia
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