Running In new engine

On 30 Aug 2004 21:43:47 -0700, vedder.DeleteThis@transfieldservices.com (James)
wrote:

 >Hey All,
 >
 >Just looking for some advice - I'm in the process of running in the
 >engine of my new R1, I've never run in an engine from scratch before
 >and have been told contradictory stuff. The manual says don't rev it
 >over 7000 rpm for the first 1000K's and then don't rev it over 8000
 >for the next 600 (To bring it to 1600K's). The guy at the shop said
 >"Don't worry about that just vary the revs as much as possible - no
 >constant revs where possible, I've been doing this but its hard to
 >stay under the speed limit.

Prior to 1000kms if you take the bike to 7001rpm the engine instantly
explodes, spraying your groinal region with burning oil and petrol,
then, prior to 1600kms it will do the same if you do 8001 or more RPM.
Trust me, I read that on the 'net. Therefore you should follow Yamahas
advice. Engines can innately tell the difference between say 6900rpm
and 7001 rpm and thus you should NEVER exceed the manafacturers
specifications under any circumstances. Additionally I recommend
reading the Yamaha R1 Owners Manual each time before you operate your
Yamaha (Sports) Motor Vehicle.

paulh
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James wrote:

 > Hey All,
 >
 > Just looking for some advice - I'm in the process of running in the
 > engine of my new R1, I've never run in an engine from scratch before
 > and have been told contradictory stuff. The manual says don't rev it
 > over 7000 rpm for the first 1000K's and then don't rev it over 8000
 > for the next 600 (To bring it to 1600K's). The guy at the shop said
 > "Don't worry about that just vary the revs as much as possible - no
 > constant revs where possible, I've been doing this but its hard to
 > stay under the speed limit.
 >
 > It will get its first service on Friday and they will change the oil.
 > I have been told not to use synthetic oil in it for the first 5,000
 > km. I always put synthetic in the duke as I thought it was better and
 > I never had any problems...
 >
 > Any comments / Advice?
Apart from the excellent advice offered by paulh,

Synthetic V Mineral.

Synthetic is just a bit too good. The running in period requires a
little bit of wear as the components bed in. Mineral oil will allow
that to happen more easily. I suppose if you use synthetic to run it
in, you'd have to run it in for a fair bit longer.

Why is it so hard to stay under the speed limit while varying the revs?

You know that little lever in front of your left toe? You can use it to
play music.


.... oh.. and the speed limit is an *upper* limit....

Moike

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Vary revs and load . no full revs or throttle , if it sounds strained it
will be , long weekend and its run in .. when your sure it is run in
change from dino to synthetic and enjoy.

James wrote:
 >
 > Hey All,
 >
 > Just looking for some advice - I'm in the process of running in the
 > engine of my new R1, I've never run in an engine from scratch before
 > and have been told contradictory stuff. The manual says don't rev it
 > over 7000 rpm for the first 1000K's and then don't rev it over 8000
 > for the next 600 (To bring it to 1600K's). The guy at the shop said
 > "Don't worry about that just vary the revs as much as possible - no
 > constant revs where possible, I've been doing this but its hard to
 > stay under the speed limit.
 >
 > It will get its first service on Friday and they will change the oil.
 > I have been told not to use synthetic oil in it for the first 5,000
 > km. I always put synthetic in the duke as I thought it was better and
 > I never had any problems...
 >
 > Any comments / Advice?

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 > Why is it so hard to stay under the speed limit while varying the revs?

Have you ridden an R1? If you rev it much past idle in anything other
than 1st you're over most speed limits

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"paulh" <paulh DeleteThis @fahncahn.com> wrote in message
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 > On 30 Aug 2004 21:43:47 -0700, vedder DeleteThis @transfieldservices.com (James)
  >> paulh
 > * ps. I recommend a name change as well...


Done !!!!! Pauline H from now on.
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Moike wrote:
 > James wrote:
 >
  >> Hey All,
  >>
  >> Just looking for some advice - I'm in the process of running in the
  >> engine of my new R1, I've never run in an engine from scratch before
  >> and have been told contradictory stuff. The manual says don't rev it
  >> over 7000 rpm for the first 1000K's and then don't rev it over 8000
  >> for the next 600 (To bring it to 1600K's). The guy at the shop said
  >> "Don't worry about that just vary the revs as much as possible - no
  >> constant revs where possible, I've been doing this but its hard to
  >> stay under the speed limit.
....snip
 > Why is it so hard to stay under the speed limit while varying the revs?
 >
 > You know that little lever in front of your left toe? You can use it to
 > play music.
 >
 >
 > ... oh.. and the speed limit is an *upper* limit....

The new R1 does 160Km/hr at redline (14grand ?) in first gear Moike, and
it apparently bogs down below about 4grand, you do the math....

JL
(I'm going on info from bike mags - haven't ridden the current R1 yet
but I gather in stock form it's utterly useless on Australian roads -
step 1 gear it down a couple of teeth ...)
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"John Littler" <john-nospam-littler.TakeThisOut@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
 > The new R1 does 160Km/hr at redline (14grand ?) in first gear Moike, and
 > it apparently bogs down below about 4grand, you do the math....
 >
I hear they have a lot of primary safety.....
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Knobdoodle wrote:

 > "John Littler" <john-nospam-littler DeleteThis @iprimus.com.au> wrote:
 >
  >>The new R1 does 160Km/hr at redline (14grand ?) in first gear Moike, and
  >>it apparently bogs down below about 4grand, you do the math....
  >>
 >
 > I hear they have a lot of primary safety.....
 > Clem

The ability to mono at any speed makes you a smaller target for the cars
to aim at ?

JL
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Australian Financial Review 17 August 2004
"So far Howard's luck has survived a great deal: his move to dismiss
broken election pledges by distinguishing between "core" and "non-core"
promises; his retrospectively time-limited "never ever" pledge on the
goods and services tax; his vagueness about when he committed Australia
to war against Iraq; his shifting standards for ministerial conduct; his
demonising of asylum seekers as child killers; his tendency to blame
"advice" rather than to openly accept responsibility when things go wrong."
Will Howard's luck survive another election ? Do Australians not care
that their PM is a liar ?
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James wrote:
 > Hey All,
 >
 > Just looking for some advice - I'm in the process of running in the
 > engine of my new R1, I've never run in an engine from scratch before
 > and have been told contradictory stuff. The manual says don't rev it
 > over 7000 rpm for the first 1000K's and then don't rev it over 8000
 > for the next 600 (To bring it to 1600K's). The guy at the shop said
 > "Don't worry about that just vary the revs as much as possible - no
 > constant revs where possible, I've been doing this but its hard to
 > stay under the speed limit.
 >
 > It will get its first service on Friday and they will change the oil.
 > I have been told not to use synthetic oil in it for the first 5,000
 > km. I always put synthetic in the duke as I thought it was better and
 > I never had any problems...
 >
 > Any comments / Advice?

Have a look at this. The guy at the shop understated it. Ride the hell
out of it if it's not too late already. The car people say the same and
the manufacturers......seem to be misleading us!


<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm" target="_blank">http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm</a>


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On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 01:08:44 GMT, Stephen Calder <calder9 RemoveThis @in.com.au>
wrote:
  >> Any comments / Advice?
 >
 >Have a look at this. The guy at the shop understated it. Ride the hell
 >out of it if it's not too late already. The car people say the same and
 >the manufacturers......seem to be misleading us!
 >
 >
 >http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

yeah...those evil car manafacturers....

Think about it.
He's claiming 2-10% more horsepower if you run it in his way.
Thus all Honda would need to do to make their SportbikeA beat another
manafacturers SportbikeA is to run it in his way. And yet...
amazingly, they don't do it. And never have done.. weird innit??

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paulh wrote:

 > On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 01:08:44 GMT, Stephen Calder <calder9.DeleteThis@in.com.au>
 > wrote:
 >
   >>>Any comments / Advice?
  >>
  >>Have a look at this. The guy at the shop understated it. Ride the hell
  >>out of it if it's not too late already. The car people say the same and
  >>the manufacturers......seem to be misleading us!
  >>
  >>
  >>http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
 >
 >
 > yeah...those evil car manafacturers....
 >
 > Think about it.
 > He's claiming 2-10% more horsepower if you run it in his way.
 > Thus all Honda would need to do to make their SportbikeA beat another
 > manafacturers SportbikeA is to run it in his way. And yet...
 > amazingly, they don't do it. And never have done.. weird innit??
 >
 > paulh


Are you sure they follow their own advice to customers when breaking in
new bikes?


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On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 12:56:43 +1000, paulh <paulh RemoveThis @fahncahn.com> wrote:

  >>http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
 >
 >yeah...those evil car manafacturers....
 >
 >Think about it.
 >He's claiming 2-10% more horsepower if you run it in his way.
 >Thus all Honda would need to do to make their SportbikeA beat another
 >manafacturers SportbikeA is to run it in his way. And yet...
 >amazingly, they don't do it. And never have done.. weird innit??
 >
I was talking to a Kawasaki dealer the other day and he said he had
seen new bikes at the Kawasaki factory in Hammamatsu (sp) in Japan and
this is what they were doing. Reving the nuts off new bikes on a dyno
after a warm up period.

I saw the same thing at the Hinckley Triumph factory in 2000 & 2001.

Every new Triumph coming off their assembly line went on to the
rolling road dyno and was run at what sounded like max revs for at
least 5 minutes.

So it could well be that those bikes arrive at the dealers more or
less *run in*, which could be why dealers these days say "just ride
it".

Kind regards
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Knobdoodle said....

 > I hear they have a lot of primary safety.....

Taking the keys off some of the dickheads who own R1s is probably the
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