Is Rossi really "that" strong?

On 2007-12-28 14:18:09 -0500, Champ <news.RemoveThis@champ.org.uk> said:

>
> Well, they've done exactly that in F1, and F1 is still a lot more high
> tech that MotoGP.

So, if it's good for 4 wheels, (IMO, it isn't) it's twice as good for 2?
>
>> http://superbikeplanet.com/2007/Dec/071228a.htm
>
> Jeez, did Mark N write that for them?

He might have that article, but for the most part DA and Nusbaum are
poles apart...
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T3 wrote:
>>> http://superbikeplanet.com/2007/Dec/071228a.htm
>>
>> Jeez, did Mark N write that for them?
>
> He might have that article, but for the most part DA and Nusbaum are
> poles apart...

Thankfully.
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:00:56 -0500, T3 <notme DeleteThis @nowhere.net> wrote:

>On 2007-12-28 14:18:09 -0500, Champ <news DeleteThis @champ.org.uk> said:
>
>>
>> Well, they've done exactly that in F1, and F1 is still a lot more high
>> tech that MotoGP.
>
>So, if it's good for 4 wheels, (IMO, it isn't) it's twice as good for 2?

I'm undecided on the whole traction control thing. On the one hand, I
want racers (car and bike) to be running the whole machine, for the
whole race, with their skill. On the other, I can see that racing is
meant to improve the breed, and maybe traction control is a good thing
on the street (it's certainly handy in freezing weather on my 330
BMW). So I really don't know.

However, I do think that a standard ECU is a step too far. F1 is
already way down that road, mandating the number of cylinders even,
but I still like the fact that the bikes are still trying lots of
things. But, I guess they will all hit on the same optimum solution
to the problem, so, like in the 500 days, everyone will be running the
same layout with the same bore and stroke.


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I think that the only rule should be that they have 2 wheels.

They didn't need to make a rule forcing teams to start using 4-stroke
engines.

The natural evolution of development is an attractive part to the
sport. I've all but stopped watching F1. It's pathetic!

- Kyle
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I think that the only rule should be that they have 2 wheels.

They didn't need to make a rule forcing teams to start using 4-stroke
engines.

The natural evolution of development is an attractive part to the
sport. I've all but stopped watching F1. It's pathetic!

- Kyle
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I think that the only rule should be that they have 2 wheels.

They didn't need to make a rule forcing teams to start using 4-stroke
engines.

The natural evolution of development is an attractive part to the
sport. I've all but stopped watching F1. It's pathetic!

- Kyle
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On Dec 29, 8:07 am, Kyle <kyle.edmo....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think that the only rule should be that they have 2 wheels.
>
> They didn't need to make a rule forcing teams to start using 4-stroke
> engines.
>
> The natural evolution of development is an attractive part to the
> sport. I've all but stopped watching F1. It's pathetic!
>
> - Kyle

You can say _that_ again!
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On 2007-12-28 18:10:02 -0500, Champ <neal.TakeThisOut@champ.org.uk> said:

>>
>> So, if it's good for 4 wheels, (IMO, it isn't) it's twice as good for 2?
>
> I'm undecided on the whole traction control thing. On the one hand, I
> want racers (car and bike) to be running the whole machine, for the
> whole race, with their skill. On the other, I can see that racing is
> meant to improve the breed, and maybe traction control is a good thing
> on the street (it's certainly handy in freezing weather on my 330
> BMW). So I really don't know.

One the one-side I'm a purist and could easily come to grips with no
traction control at all, but the reality side says something different.
It's here and for good, or bad I doubt seriously it's ever going away..

>
> However, I do think that a standard ECU is a step too far. F1 is
> already way down that road, mandating the number of cylinders even,
> but I still like the fact that the bikes are still trying lots of
> things. But, I guess they will all hit on the same optimum solution
> to the problem, so, like in the 500 days, everyone will be running the
> same layout with the same bore and stroke.
>

About the only 4 wheeled racing I really know anything about comes a
1/4 mile at a time, so I'm not about dis F1, but (like MGP) if it's
prototype racing the less rules, the better...
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On Dec 30, 2:39 am, Julian Bond <julian_b... RemoveThis @voidstar.com> wrote:

> And on fast circuits Turboed 1000-4 streamliners would mean top speeds would become
> way too dangerous.

Dangerous...?
THAT would be fun to watch!
Maybe bring back a little bit of the old school'ness of motorcycle
racing when noble men did it because their balls where too big for
golf.
Just an idea....

- Kyle

p.s. I hope this message only posts once...! sorry bout that..
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Kyle <kyle.edmonds DeleteThis @gmail.com> Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:50:44
>I think that the only rule should be that they have 2 wheels.

I'd love to see a club racing formula just like that. I think I'd have
two rules though
- Wheel driven, no jets.
- Maximum width or something like that. I'd like to allow 3 or 4 wheels
as long as it banked in the corners. But avoid people running go-karts
with wings.

You really can't do this kind of Formula Libre above club racing though
because Honda eventually just outspend everyone else. And on fast
circuits Turboed 1000-4 streamliners would mean top speeds would become
way too dangerous.

More realistically, we really need some more formulae to encourage
innovation. Even Supermono has stagnated with only a couple of funny
suspension bikes world wide. It's just easier to shove an off the shelf
engine in an off the shelf frame. Which is a shame because we need
people like RADD to explore rolling chassis design and we need to go
back and revisit what NSU were doing in the 50s with road racing
streamliners.

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On Dec 30, 7:32 am, Kyle <kyle.edmo....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 30, 2:39 am, Julian Bond <julian_b....TakeThisOut@voidstar.com> wrote:
>
> > And on fast circuits Turboed 1000-4 streamliners would mean top speeds would become
> > way too dangerous.
>
> Dangerous...?
> THAT would be fun to watch!
> Maybe bring back a little bit of the old school'ness of motorcycle
> racing when noble men did it because their balls where too big for
> golf.
> Just an idea....

Have you seen any pro race up close? Do you realize how many of them
are riding hurt half the time?
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On Dec 30, 9:53 am, Alexey <inline_f....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 30, 7:32 am, Kyle <kyle.edmo....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 30, 2:39 am, Julian Bond <julian_b....DeleteThis@voidstar.com> wrote:
>
> > > And on fast circuits Turboed 1000-4 streamliners would mean top speeds would become
> > > way too dangerous.
>
> > Dangerous...?
> > THAT would be fun to watch!
> > Maybe bring back a little bit of the old school'ness of motorcycle
> > racing when noble men did it because their balls where too big for
> > golf.
> > Just an idea....
>
> Have you seen any pro race up close? Do you realize how many of them
> are riding hurt half the time?

Of course... I attend at least 2 or 3 US Superbike races per season. I
am fully aware that these guys DO get hurt and like you say, are
riding injured MOST of the time. I didn't mean to take anything away
from the sport or the riders.

Heres an idea that's a little off topic but....
What about streamliner turbo 4-1000's on an American super speedway
curcuit. NASCAR for bikes?! haha
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On Dec 31, 7:18 am, Kyle <kyle.edmo....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 30, 9:53 am, Alexey <inline_f....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 30, 7:32 am, Kyle <kyle.edmo....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 30, 2:39 am, Julian Bond <julian_b....DeleteThis@voidstar.com> wrote:
>
> > > > And on fast circuits Turboed 1000-4 streamliners would mean top speeds would become
> > > > way too dangerous.
>
> > > Dangerous...?
> > > THAT would be fun to watch!
> > > Maybe bring back a little bit of the old school'ness of motorcycle
> > > racing when noble men did it because their balls where too big for
> > > golf.
> > > Just an idea....
>
> > Have you seen any pro race up close? Do you realize how many of them
> > are riding hurt half the time?
>
> Of course... I attend at least 2 or 3 US Superbike races per season. I
> am fully aware that these guys DO get hurt and like you say, are
> riding injured MOST of the time. I didn't mean to take anything away
> from the sport or the riders.
>
> Heres an idea that's a little off topic but....
> What about streamliner turbo 4-1000's on an American super speedway
> curcuit. NASCAR for bikes?! haha

Facing a retaining wall out of every corner; same tire problem as at
Daytona, but magnified -- who wouldn't want that?
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