The Rossi Reign...

"Bikini Whacks" <www.look.DeleteThis@you.con> wrote in message
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> ...would appear to be over.
>
> His skillz ain't diminished but a hot rider on seemingly better hoops
> seems to have done it.
>
> If Vale doesn't quit after the current contract, then the swansong, as
> he's hinted on the odd occasion, must surely be red.


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In article <5gimqiF3h3acnU1 DeleteThis @mid.individual.net>,
yogig.no.spamm.spam.no DeleteThis @hotmail.nospamm.com says...
> "Bikini Whacks" <www.look DeleteThis @you.con> wrote in message
> news:MPG.210de787e7e55eee989692@news.individual.net...
> > ...would appear to be over.
> >
> > His skillz ain't diminished but a hot rider on seemingly better hoops
> > seems to have done it.
> >
> > If Vale doesn't quit after the current contract, then the swansong, as
> > he's hinted on the odd occasion, must surely be red.
>
>
> A post with no sexual content?
> Where have all the good times gone?
>
haha, I'm missing the profanity already!
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How about the top group...I see a lot of Bridgestones in there. I think its
a combo of bike & tires letting Vali down...no? Not to say that Casey
doesn't kick butt.

It's definitely not just the bike...Laguna proved that...no long
straightaways to use the Duc power to its advantage.

Terrible US showing...except for Roger Lee.

Z


"Bikini Whacks" <www.look.TakeThisOut@you.con> wrote in message
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> ...would appear to be over.
>
> His skillz ain't diminished but a hot rider on seemingly better hoops
> seems to have done it.
>
> If Vale doesn't quit after the current contract, then the swansong, as
> he's hinted on the odd occasion, must surely be red.
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"Bikini Whacks" <www.look.TakeThisOut@you.con> wrote in message
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> ...would appear to be over.
>
> His skillz ain't diminished but a hot rider on seemingly better hoops
> seems to have done it.

Watching Marco making a (seemly) easy pass on Vale this Sun, I too also began to feel that he ( like
Tiger Woods) has lost the aura of invincibility that he used to command.

The better hoops argument flops back and forth depending on the track--but lets not forget all those
years when he had both a machine and tire advantage.








> If Vale doesn't quit after the current contract, then the swansong, as
> he's hinted on the odd occasion, must surely be red.
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> The better hoops argument flops back and forth depending on the track--but
> lets not forget all those
> years when he had both a machine and tire advantage.

I think those might only have been the Honda HRC years. When he moved to
Yamaha, at first it was quite visibly a slower bike, and he made it with
utter committment, riding the heck out of the Yamaha. No doubt he received
star treatment by Michelin, though - albeit to what degree it was higher
than others' is pure speculation on our part. If that was the case then, one
would wonder why he's suddenly on Michelin's sh*tlist.

I think the major factor may be that he's been so successful for so long
that, like many champions before him, he has lost that ultimate bite.
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In article <5RTz1hBzrepGFAca.DeleteThis@jblaptop.voidstar.com>,
julian_bond.DeleteThis@voidstar.com says...
> pablo <pabloAT.DeleteThis@simplyhombreDOT.net> Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:54:55
> >I think those might only have been the Honda HRC years. When he moved to
> >Yamaha, at first it was quite visibly a slower bike, and he made it with
> >utter committment, riding the heck out of the Yamaha. No doubt he received
> >star treatment by Michelin, though - albeit to what degree it was higher
> >than others' is pure speculation on our part. If that was the case then, one
> >would wonder why he's suddenly on Michelin's sh*tlist.
>
> He's not on Michelins sh*tlist but Michelin are struggling this year to
> keep pace with Bridgestone. And both of them, and the teams are
> struggling to work with the new limited tyre rules. It's not too bad
> where the weather is predictable and the track and surface are known.
> But get too many variables and either there are no good tyres left by
> Sunday afternoon, or practice sessions are wasted because they can't go
> fast enough on the available tyres to get valuable machine setup data.
>
> It's probably time for an analysis of how the tyres coped at each
> circuit. It certainly feels like we've had lots of races this year
> where:-
> - The track has changed significantly or has a brand new surface.
> - Track temperature has varied significantly between each session and on
> race afternoon.
> - We've had rain, rain, dry on the three days or dry, dry, rain or some
> combination.
>
> And just to make this all worse the bikes have changed significantly as
> well. Higher corner speed with less rear wheel spin has changed the tyre
> game a lot. So even if they had track data from last year, some of it is
> meaningless. For an example, they never used to use front qualifiers and
> it was pretty rare for fronts to wear out. And yet we've had two races
> on the trot where the front tyres were marginal.
>
> Bridgestone/Ducati have got full time testers. So who's testing
> Michelins? Who is it that's going round and round every day on a Rossi
> Yamaha on Michelins, and where?
>
>
Kurtis might be the ideal man for that job. Definitely more use on a
test-track than a race-track.
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pablo <pabloAT.TakeThisOut@simplyhombreDOT.net> Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:54:55
>I think those might only have been the Honda HRC years. When he moved to
>Yamaha, at first it was quite visibly a slower bike, and he made it with
>utter committment, riding the heck out of the Yamaha. No doubt he received
>star treatment by Michelin, though - albeit to what degree it was higher
>than others' is pure speculation on our part. If that was the case then, one
>would wonder why he's suddenly on Michelin's sh*tlist.

He's not on Michelins sh*tlist but Michelin are struggling this year to
keep pace with Bridgestone. And both of them, and the teams are
struggling to work with the new limited tyre rules. It's not too bad
where the weather is predictable and the track and surface are known.
But get too many variables and either there are no good tyres left by
Sunday afternoon, or practice sessions are wasted because they can't go
fast enough on the available tyres to get valuable machine setup data.

It's probably time for an analysis of how the tyres coped at each
circuit. It certainly feels like we've had lots of races this year
where:-
- The track has changed significantly or has a brand new surface.
- Track temperature has varied significantly between each session and on
race afternoon.
- We've had rain, rain, dry on the three days or dry, dry, rain or some
combination.

And just to make this all worse the bikes have changed significantly as
well. Higher corner speed with less rear wheel spin has changed the tyre
game a lot. So even if they had track data from last year, some of it is
meaningless. For an example, they never used to use front qualifiers and
it was pretty rare for fronts to wear out. And yet we've had two races
on the trot where the front tyres were marginal.

Bridgestone/Ducati have got full time testers. So who's testing
Michelins? Who is it that's going round and round every day on a Rossi
Yamaha on Michelins, and where?

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On 24 Jul, 13:18, Julian Bond <julian_b....RemoveThis@voidstar.com> wrote:
>
> Bridgestone/Ducati have got full time testers. So who's testing
> Michelins? Who is it that's going round and round every day on a Rossi
> Yamaha on Michelins, and where?

Still it's only Stoner on the Duc doing so exceptionally well, the
other Ducs are pretty much Ducks in comparison, and the other Stones
shod bikes (Suzuki, Kawasaki an the Gresini Hondas) are still behind
Rossi and Pedrosa in the championship so despite all that testing
there is only one rider taking full advantage. Also lets not forget
the race before last, Germany where it was pretty much a Michelin
whitewash. Certainly the Stones have the edge this year, but in
previous years it's been Michelin and no one complained then, saying
Rossi was only winning because he was on the right tyres.

Paul
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Bikini is Whacked

> Kurtis might be the ideal man for that job. Definitely more use on a
> test-track than a race-track.

>From Vale - "Because is not possible to put one rider that arrive 13th
in Superstock to ride MotoGP. Is not good. I mean, is dangerous..."

Stolen from stuporbikeplanet.com
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2007/Jul/070723-46.htm

I gotta agree. If it wasn't Daddy's bike.....


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"Julian Bond" <julian_bond DeleteThis @voidstar.com> wrote in message
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>
> I only ask because I don't know. Who does do the testing for Yamaha and
> Michelin?

Popular speculation in this forum has been Edwards is very engaged in that.
If so, he failed miserably this year. So I don't believe the theory Edwards
is the key Yamaha-Michelin tester. It's probably some rather anonymous
Japanese rider.

Somone had told me once Guintoli did a lot of test riding for Yamaha - I
have never checked if it's true he tests more in Japan than others. I know
from a recent Rossi interview that he is headed to Japan during the break.

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Paul B wrote:
Julian Bond wrote:

> > Bridgestone/Ducati have got full time testers. So who's testing
> > Michelins? Who is it that's going round and round every day on a Rossi
> > Yamaha on Michelins, and where?
>
> Still it's only Stoner on the Duc doing so exceptionally well, the
> other Ducs are pretty much Ducks in comparison, and the other Stones
> shod bikes (Suzuki, Kawasaki an the Gresini Hondas) are still behind
> Rossi and Pedrosa in the championship so despite all that testing
> there is only one rider taking full advantage.

What's been said is that the Bridgestone front is very good for riders
who ride the front very hard, and that includes Stoner and Elias.
Elias' success late last year was supposedly because Michelin finally
built him a front that worked for his style, but the Bridgestones
worked right off. That may be part of what's helping Stoner distance
himself from the crowd, and his fast start this year combined with
Capirossi's very slow one might have put their development efforts in
his corner. Suzuki is still down on the machine some in comparison,
and we know the initial Honda, which Melandri was stuck with until
Germany, was pretty much a dog. Or maybe it hasn't, but he's
benefitted from the general superiority of the 'Stones combined with
the specific superiority for him.

Also lets not forget
> the race before last, Germany where it was pretty much a Michelin
> whitewash.

Which may have been specific issues with the tires they brought and
were selected for that track. If they ran that race next week it might
all be different, that's the thing about the 31-tire cap.

Certainly the Stones have the edge this year, but in
> previous years it's been Michelin and no one complained then, saying
> Rossi was only winning because he was on the right tyres.

Geez, I seem to recall saying that! I do think Rossi had a real edge
in those days, in part because I'd guess he gave the best feedback of
the lead guys - in 2002 it was pretty much him and Biaggi at Yamaha,
and who do you listen to? And then in 2003 the Yamaha guys were Barros
and Checa. But I'm sure Michelin saw real value in having a very
popular and European champion on their tires. Then at Yamaha it was
Rossi (and eventually Edwards), vs. the Barros/Gibernau/Biaggi mess at
Honda, plus Honda had their chatter issue with the new "Yamaha" tire.
But last year Michelin went further with the "fat" tire, while Rossi
and Edwards stayed with the old skinny tire, not in the development
mainstream. Now Michelin is back on their heels, plus Honda has champ
Hayden and crown prince Pedrosa to support, so Rossi's simply not in
the same position he'd been in previously. And it shows.
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"Mark N" <menusbaum.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Paul B wrote:
> Julian Bond wrote:
>
> > > Bridgestone/Ducati have got full time testers. So who's testing
> > > Michelins? Who is it that's going round and round every day on a Rossi
> > > Yamaha on Michelins, and where?
> >
> > Still it's only Stoner on the Duc doing so exceptionally well, the
> > other Ducs are pretty much Ducks in comparison, and the other Stones
> > shod bikes (Suzuki, Kawasaki an the Gresini Hondas) are still behind
> > Rossi and Pedrosa in the championship so despite all that testing
> > there is only one rider taking full advantage.
>
> What's been said is that the Bridgestone front is very good for riders
> who ride the front very hard, and that includes Stoner and Elias.
> Elias' success late last year was supposedly because Michelin finally
> built him a front that worked for his style, but the Bridgestones
> worked right off. That may be part of what's helping Stoner distance
> himself from the crowd, and his fast start this year combined with
> Capirossi's very slow one might have put their development efforts in
> his corner. Suzuki is still down on the machine some in comparison,
> and we know the initial Honda, which Melandri was stuck with until
> Germany, was pretty much a dog. Or maybe it hasn't, but he's
> benefitted from the general superiority of the 'Stones combined with
> the specific superiority for him.
>
> Also lets not forget
> > the race before last, Germany where it was pretty much a Michelin
> > whitewash.
>
> Which may have been specific issues with the tires they brought and
> were selected for that track. If they ran that race next week it might
> all be different, that's the thing about the 31-tire cap.
>
> Certainly the Stones have the edge this year, but in
> > previous years it's been Michelin and no one complained then, saying
> > Rossi was only winning because he was on the right tyres.
>
> Geez, I seem to recall saying that! I do think Rossi had a real edge
> in those days, in part because I'd guess he gave the best feedback of
> the lead guys - in 2002 it was pretty much him and Biaggi at Yamaha,
> and who do you listen to? And then in 2003 the Yamaha guys were Barros
> and Checa. But I'm sure Michelin saw real value in having a very
> popular and European champion on their tires. Then at Yamaha it was
> Rossi (and eventually Edwards), vs. the Barros/Gibernau/Biaggi mess at
> Honda, plus Honda had their chatter issue with the new "Yamaha" tire.
> But last year Michelin went further with the "fat" tire, while Rossi
> and Edwards stayed with the old skinny tire, not in the development
> mainstream. Now Michelin is back on their heels, plus Honda has champ
> Hayden and crown prince Pedrosa to support, so Rossi's simply not in
> the same position he'd been in previously. And it shows.

I don't follow F1 racing but a friend told me that they're only(?) using Bridgestones this year...is
this true?
He claims that this may be giving Bridgestone a technology advantage...
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"Brutus" <se6bq5 DeleteThis @teleport.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> What's been said is that the Bridgestone front is very good for riders
>> who ride the front very hard, and that includes Stoner and Elias.

Sure, that's why Elias is out with a major injury for up to 6 months with a
broken femur... Elias rode like a maniac and paid the price, no matter what
the tire.

If "people that ride the front hard" equals 250 ex-riders that carry high
corner speed, then (a) that seems to be the fastest way around a track and
(b) there's a bunch of other guys that should be further up front if that
was all.

> I don't follow F1 racing but a friend told me that they're only(?) using
> Bridgestones this year...is
> this true?

Yes, B is the sole supplier for F1.

....paul
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