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Sean1

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:56 pm
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Site http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Article_Page.aspx?ArticleID=4000

....calls this a neutral riding position:
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/photos/P0024719.jpg
....where the rider's knees are bent and the lower leg is at an
angle towards the rear.

Here's the same bike with no riders:
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/photos/91109P0024714.jpg
where it can be seen that the rider's pegs are directly below
the lowest point in the seat.

I've read that the SV650 has a neutral rising position, but when I tried
sitting on one I still felt I was leaning forward. This comparison
between the '06 SV650 and Ninja 650R seems to confirm my impression:
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Article_Page.aspx?ArticleID=3250&Page=2

Ninja 650R:
http://photos.motorcycle-usa.com/68778_mg_9429.jpg

Suzuki SV650:
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/photos/_mg_9417.jpg

While I really like my little XV250, it forces the rider into an
uncomfortable feet forward position more like this:
http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2007/08/26/harley-davidson-rocker-passeng...riding-

Here's my bike's side view again:
http://www.highwayyamaha.com.au/specialimages/j_VIRAGO_250.jpg
The top frame member goes back and down at an angle putting the seat
at a low "chopper" style position...

http://www.jab-net.com/custom_bike_file/archives/2005/08/akira.html

....whereas a traditional design like the Triumph Bonneville has a more
horizontal frame, putting the seat higher for a more neutral position:
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l126/ornatehoodmusic/sideVIEW.jpg

However, *something* seems awkward about this rider's posture...
http://www.stabbarps-auto.com/images/blueisfast.JPG

....whereas this rider seems a lot more comfortable.
http://www.triumphbonneville.com/trimage/newbon/01bonnevilletitle.jpg

Some of the V-Rods I've seen at the Harley dealership have painful
looking forward controls:
http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2004/HDcvo/VROD.jpg

....but on this one the rider's pegs are further back --
seemingly a lot further back:
http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2005/VRSCR/images/VR_Speed.jpg

Finally, I really like this babe's sitting position on the Aprillia,
even if her hands are nowhere near the grips:
http://www.helmethairblog.com/RSV1000R_factory_05.jpg

Sean_Q_

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:56 pm
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On Feb 24, 3:56 pm, Sean <no.s....DeleteThis@no.spam> wrote:

> ...whereas a traditional design like the Triumph Bonneville has a more
> horizontal frame, putting the seat higher for a more neutral position:http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l126/ornatehoodmusic/sideVIEW.jpg
>
> However, *something* seems awkward about this rider's posture...http://www..stabbarps-auto.com/images/blueisfast.JPG

Aftermarket rearset pegs, European flat bars, and the rider is
intentionally crouching.
>
> ...whereas this rider seems a lot more comfortable.http://www.triumphbonneville.com/trimage/newbon/01bonnevilletitle.jpg

Stock Bonneville.

> Some of the V-Rods I've seen at the Harley dealership have painful
> looking forward controls:http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2004/HDcvo/VROD..jpg
>
> ...but on this one the rider's pegs are further back --
> seemingly a lot further back:http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2005/VRSCR/images/VR_Speed.jpg

Two different models of the VRod.

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Bruce Richmond

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:00 pm
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On Feb 24, 3:56 pm, Sean <no.s....RemoveThis@no.spam> wrote:
> Sitehttp://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Article_Page.aspx?ArticleID=4000
>
> ...calls this a neutral riding position:
>    http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/photos/P0024719.jpg
> ...where the rider's knees are bent and the lower leg is at an
> angle towards the rear.
>
> Here's the same bike with no riders:http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/photos/91109P0024714.jpg
> where it can be seen that the rider's pegs are directly below
> the lowest point in the seat.
>
> I've read that the SV650 has a neutral rising position, but when I tried
> sitting on one I still felt I was leaning forward. This comparison
> between the '06 SV650 and Ninja 650R seems to confirm my impression:http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Article_Page.aspx?ArticleID=3250&Page=2
>
> Ninja 650R:http://photos.motorcycle-usa.com/68778_mg_9429.jpg
>
> Suzuki SV650:http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/photos/_mg_9417.jpg
>
> While I really like my little XV250, it forces the rider into an
> uncomfortable feet forward position more like this:http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2007/08/26/harley-davidson-rocker-passen...
>
> Here's my bike's side view again:http://www.highwayyamaha.com.au/specialimages/j_VIRAGO_250.jpg
> The top frame member goes back and down at an angle putting the seat
> at a low "chopper" style position...
>
> http://www.jab-net.com/custom_bike_file/archives/2005/08/akira.html
>
> ...whereas a traditional design like the Triumph Bonneville has a more
> horizontal frame, putting the seat higher for a more neutral position:http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l126/ornatehoodmusic/sideVIEW.jpg
>
> However, *something* seems awkward about this rider's posture...http://www..stabbarps-auto.com/images/blueisfast.JPG

You interested in looks or comfort? At speed the wind hitting his
chest takes the weight off his arms. With the upper body tipped
forward it works better to have your feet back.

> ...whereas this rider seems a lot more comfortable.http://www.triumphbonneville.com/trimage/newbon/01bonnevilletitle.jpg

I suppose, if you like the sit up and beg position. At speed you end
up doing pull ups on the bars. At least there's room enough to slide
his butt back to get around that problem.

My tail bone was broken years ago so I find it very uncomfortable to
sit on it. This position OTOH is not a problem.

http://users.adelphia.net/~kowfeathers/316.JPG


> Some of the V-Rods I've seen at the Harley dealership have painful
> looking forward controls:http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2004/HDcvo/VROD..jpg
>
> ...but on this one the rider's pegs are further back --
> seemingly a lot further back:http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2005/VRSCR/images/VR_Speed.jpg
>
> Finally, I really like this babe's sitting position on the Aprillia,
> even if her hands are nowhere near the grips:http://www.helmethairblog.com/RSV1000R_factory_05.jpg
>
> Sean_Q_
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Vito

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:21 pm
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"Sean" <no.spam.RemoveThis@no.spam> wrote
> Site http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Article_Page.aspx?ArticleID=4000
>
> ...calls this a neutral riding position:
> http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/photos/P0024719.jpg
> ...where the rider's knees are bent and the lower leg is at an
> angle towards the rear.

"Neutral" like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'd call the position
above a compromise caused by the boxer cylinders which prevent an optimum
foot position.

A H-D FLHTC has a true neutral foot position. It had (ta da!) floorboards
that allow one to change position from that of a BM (toes on rear of board)
to extended position (heels on front of board) or anywhere in between. This
in turn lets one shift one's arse about in the seat to relieve pressure
points on long rides.
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Bruce Richmond

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:45 pm
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On Feb 24, 10:02 pm, Sean <no.s....DeleteThis@no.spam> wrote:
> Vito wrote:
> > "Neutral" like beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  I'd call the position
> > above a compromise caused by the boxer cylinders which prevent an optimum
> > foot position.
>
> By "optimum" you mean the feet a few inches more forward?
>
> > A H-D FLHTC has a true neutral foot position.  It had (ta da!) floorboards
> > that allow one to change position from that of a BM (toes on rear of board)
> > to extended position (heels on front of board) or anywhere in between.
>
> Something like this...(?)http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2002models/2002-Harley-Davidson...
>
> I beheld "neutral" to mean the feet are further back than the above
> so they can support some of the body's weight; more like this:
>
> http://www.motorcycledaily.com/07dec00honda2001wingreview2.html
>
> However, I suppose the length of the legs have something to do with it,
> as these rider's feet seem more forward:
>
> http://www.doble.co.uk/images/Wallpaper/goldwing_800.jpghttp://www.rap...sandroc
>
> SQ
> ps. here's another Goldwing wheelie:http://www.davesgoldwing.com/wheelie-under.jpg

Neat how the pipes keep it straight Smile

Bruce
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:53 pm
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Vito wrote:

> "Neutral" like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'd call the position
> above a compromise caused by the boxer cylinders which prevent an optimum
> foot position.

By "optimum" you mean the feet a few inches more forward?

> A H-D FLHTC has a true neutral foot position. It had (ta da!) floorboards
> that allow one to change position from that of a BM (toes on rear of board)
> to extended position (heels on front of board) or anywhere in between.

Something like this...(?)
http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2002models/2002-Harley-Davidson-...TC-FLHT

I beheld "neutral" to mean the feet are further back than the above
so they can support some of the body's weight; more like this:

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/07dec00honda2001wingreview2.html

However, I suppose the length of the legs have something to do with it,
as these rider's feet seem more forward:

http://www.doble.co.uk/images/Wallpaper/goldwing_800.jpg
http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/images/Honda/06Goldwing%20with%20airbag1_e.JPG
http://www.autoblog.com/media/2006/06/Goldwing-wheelie.jpg

SQ
ps. here's another Goldwing wheelie:
http://www.davesgoldwing.com/wheelie-under.jpg
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:09 pm
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On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:02:40 +0000, Sean wrote:

> I beheld "neutral" to mean the feet are further back than the above
> so they can support some of the body's weight; more like this:

> http://www.motorcycledaily.com/07dec00honda2001wingreview2.html

The older Goldwings had more aggressive seating. Here's a GL1000:

o Scheibe, Winni. "Honda Gold Wing: Nippon Kult."
_Motorrad-Marken_. Bad Arolsen - Wetterburg, Bundesrepublik
Deutschland: Motorrad-Bild, 1 Jan. 2008. 25 Feb. 2008
<http://www.motorrad-bild.de/ta_marken/honda/klassik/gl1000.htm>.

At the bottom of the page is a picture of what must be a GL1800 for
comparison.

--
... Chuck Rhode, Sheboygan, WI, USA
... 1979 Honda Goldwing GL1000 (Geraldine)
... Weather: http://LacusVeris.com/WX
... 33° — Wind W 7 mph — Sky overcast. Mist.
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