Question on Ride from SF To San Diego

On Jun 1, 12:34 pm, " " wrote:
> I'm thinking about taking a ride from San Francisco to San Diego on my
> 2001 ZX6-R. It will do about 120 miles on a tank of gas. I'm
> considering taking Route 1 from San Francisco to San Luis Obispo

> My question / concern is about gas. Will
> there be enough gas stations spaced out appropriately between San
> Francisco and San Luis Obispo on Route 1? Are there any stretches I
> need to be aware of and have a full take before entering them?

Highway 1 from Carmel to Morro Bay is quite scenic, but it can be
annoying to get stuck behind long lines of gawking tourists. Last time
I rode Hwy 1, I was afraid to pass an SUV with a police beacon on top
of it/ When the guy pulled out to look over the cliff at the ocean, it
turned out he was a rent-a-cop in the company truck...

You can easily go to www.yellowpages.com, and enter the various cities
on your itinerary and then search for your favorite gas station. Then
you can get driving directions. It's 100 miles from the Chevron
station at Carmel valley Road to the Chevron station on Main St. in
Cambria.

Morro Bay is 16 miles further along your route.

As you ride down Hwy 101 from San Luis Obispo, past Pismo Beach and
Santa Maria, watch for CHP parked by the pepper tree south of
Betteravia Rd. They hang out by Cat Rd.

The CHP's are always right there, that's where frustrated drivers have
just gotten past the slow pokes who only want to drive 75 mph up the
hill out of Santa Maria.

The secret of avoiding urban congestion is to take the inland routes.

You can avoid a lot of traffic congestion on Hwy 101 if you take the
Hwy 154 San Marcos Pass cut off (that saves 15 miles right there) at
Los Olivos (site of the Wonderland Ranch).

San Marcos Pass takes you past a man made lake and up over the
mountains where you can get stunning views of the Channel Islands on a
clear day.

SMP will take you back to Hwy 101 at Santa Barbara and you can
continue south to Ventura. There is some traffic congestion from Santa
Barbara to Carpenteria during rush hours. Then traffic slows again as
you reach Oxnard.

You can avoid the Hwy 101 congestion over the Conejo grade, past
Thousand Oaks and through the San Fernando Valley by taking Hwy 126
inland out of Ventura towards Santa Paula.

Hwy 126 ends at Hwy 5, and you can get on the 210 Freeway towards
Pasadena and avoid the
Los Angeles/Orange County congestion. When you come to Hwy 57, take
that to Hwy 60 to Riverside and then take Interstate 15 to San Diego.
All inland, and far less crowded.

> then
> taking 101 to San Diego.

Ummm, Hwy 101 does not go to San Diego. It ends in East Los Angeles,
where it connects with Interstate 5. Who wants to ride through all
that traffic congestion and over development?

You can bypass Los Angeles by taking the 405 south through Orange
County, but you may get caught in heavy traffic by LAX and again in
Orange County.

> A few more questions that I think I know the answer to: I'm taking
> Route 5 back and I assume I won't have any trouble with gas there.
> Right? I've heard that CHP presence on 5 is oppressive. Is that true?

I have seen teams of six CHP cruisers pulling over six cars, in
response to a report from the CHP airplane flying overhead.

The only way I would recommend taking Hwy 5 is if I was driving a car.
I have made it from San Francisco to Los Angeles in about 5 hours on
one tank of gas, but it will probably take you
5 hours on the bike and you will get to know and love Lost Hills and
Buttonwillow.

Why stay on Interstate 5 past Buttonwillow, when you can ride the well
known Hwy 58 to Santa Margarita on Hwy 101?

For that matter, why ride as far as Buttonwillow, when you can ride
the wickedly fast Hwy 166
to Santa Maria and get on the 101 there?

Cops. Watch for 'em on the road and in the air.

Whenever I get on Hwy 5, my strategy is to look at every overpass I
come to in order to see if a CHP is parked where I can see him. Then,
as I pass the overpass, I turn my head to see if a CHP is parked on
the on ramp.

The CHP's respect alertness. If you are not paying attention and they
sneak up on you, they are less likely to let you go than if you were
riding 80 mph and suddenly slowed down when you saw them on the ramp.

> What about 101 North?

My biggest complaint about Hwy 101 from Santa Barbara to Paso Robles
is the difference in speed between the 18 wheelers and the cars. The
trucks are struggling to keep their speed up and avoid getting a
ticket by going too much over the limit.

And the cars aren't trying to control their speed at all, the drivers
will be trying to go 80 or 90 mph on 101. The car driver is less
likely to be stopped for speeding than a motorcycle rider.

Heading north on the 101, after San Luis Obispo you climb the Cuesta
Grade towards Paso Robles.

There is another nice little inland road that bypasses the boring
parts of Hwy 101. G14 heads north through rolling hills past Lake San
Antonio and Lake Nacimiento. Then you get back to King City and you
have a choice of going north on Hwy 101 to Greenfield and taking the
G16
west over beautiful Carmel Valley Rd through oak trees with hanging
Spanish moss all the way back to Carmel.

Or you can head northwest on the G13 and then north on Hwy 25 to
Hollister.
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On Jun 1, 7:44?pm, Rich wrote:
you safely through the rest of Orange County.

> 2. Take 58 east across Tehachapi Pass and US 395 to the 15.

That's actually a fair idea. He could take Hwy 46, which is straight
and fast, pass the site of James Dean's Porsche wreck, and continue on
over to Bakersfield and get onto Hwy 58 to Mojave and on to Hwy 395.

It helps to like the desert, heat, and afternoon winds.

Parts of Hwy 46 go through the *other* Antelope Valley where pronghorn
antelope still live. it's not the same Antelope valley that Lancaster
and Palmdale are in. The last time I rode through there, the wind was
blowing so hard I stopped at Blackwell's Corners, the last place where
James Dean was seen alive.

> 3. Find your way to Delano and take the 155 to Isabella Lake and then
> 178 to the 14 and 58. The road across the southern Sierras is amazingly
> scenic.

Hwy 155 is very narrow and winding as you start to climb out of the
San Joaquin Valley and go
over the hill into Lake Isabella, and then it's about 40 miles over to
Onyx and you still haven't
reached Walker Pass.

Last time I was over there, I had to stop and wait out the wind that
was blowing the bike around.
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Albrecht wrote:

>
>> 3. Find your way to Delano and take the 155 to Isabella Lake and then
>> 178 to the 14 and 58. The road across the southern Sierras is amazingly
>> scenic.
>
> Hwy 155 is very narrow and winding as you start to climb out of the
> San Joaquin Valley and go
> over the hill into Lake Isabella, and then it's about 40 miles over to
> Onyx and you still haven't
> reached Walker Pass.
>
> Last time I was over there, I had to stop and wait out the wind that
> was blowing the bike around.
>

I made the trip going northwest. It was April and we took the
convertible. There was snow on the side of the road at the summit. Had
the top down and don't recall any wind problems at that time, but your
anemometer may vary. The road felt like it would be fun on 2 wheels.

We cut over to Coalinga and then up the San Miguel Valley through
Hollister. The valley is still unspoiled, but Hollister had grown up a
lot since I went through that way in '67.

Rich, Urban Biker
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On Jun 1, 10:58?pm, Rich wrote:
> Albrecht wrote:
> > Last time I was over there, I had to stop and wait out the wind that
> > was blowing the bike around.
>
> I made the trip going northwest. It was April and we took the
> convertible. There was snow on the side of the road at the summit. Had
> the top down and don't recall any wind problems at that time, but your
> anemometer may vary. The road felt like it would be fun on 2 wheels.

The wind in California is solar powered. If you start off in the
morning and the air isn't all that clear because of the humidity,
there won't be any wind to push you around.

But, after 2:00 PM or so, solar heat will have burned off the haze and
the wind will start to pick up and will be gusting until it cools down
well after dark.

The temperature change in the desert is more extreme than in the
valleys, so the change in wind velocity is greater.

So, it's a good idea to pick the time of day when you're going to
cross the desert by motorcycle, if your schedule allows it.

I rode up through Kernville once, up to Kennedy Meadows and back down
to the desert through Sherman Pass, before the road was paved. I
reached Pearsonville in late afternoon.

Then I had to fight gusty winds through Mojave, Lancaster, and
Palmdale before I got into calm air near Acton.

Another point about riding east of the Sierra Nevada range is that
there is a wave of air that is forced up over the western slope, and
it spills over the Sierra crest and gusty winds pour down the canyons
into the Owens Valley.

Then the wave richochets off the valley floor and heads up again.
National Geographic had an article about "The Blue Wave" several years
ago.
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wrote:
> I'm thinking about taking a ride from San Francisco to San Diego on my
> 2001 ZX6-R. It will do about 120 miles on a tank of gas. I'm
> considering taking Route 1 from San Francisco to San Luis Obispo then
> taking 101 to San Diego. My question / concern is about gas. Will
> there be enough gas stations spaced out appropriately between San
> Francisco and San Luis Obispo on Route 1? Are there any stretches I
> need to be aware of and have a full take before entering them?
>
> A few more questions that I think I know the answer to: I'm taking
> Route 5 back and I assume I won't have any trouble with gas there.
> Right? I've heard that CHP presence on 5 is oppressive. Is that true?
> What about 101 North?
>
>
> Thanks...
>

Can't speak for 1 south of Mt. Tam, but I-5 has plenty of gas stations,
nicely spaced. I don't know about oppressive CHP. Since my bike is the
equivalent of a 1970s VW camper van, I averaged about 80 mph all the way
up and back from SD to the bay area and never even got a notice from
them. They were there, certainly. I saw them. They didn't care about me.

I did see some jerks in SUVs get pulled over for driving fast and rude.
Sweet.

--
Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC (wdne)

"Keep fighting for freedom and justice, beloveds, but don't forget to
have fun doin' it. Lord, let your laughter ring forth. Be outrageous,
ridicule the fraidy-cats, rejoice in all the oddities that freedom can
produce."

--Molly Ivins
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wrote:
>
> A few more questions that I think I know the answer to: I'm taking
> Route 5 back and I assume I won't have any trouble with gas there.
> Right? I've heard that CHP presence on 5 is oppressive. Is that true?
> What about 101 North?

One thing not discussed is the amount of time allowed for the trip.

I've done SF to San Clemente (about 60 miles north of SD) many
times, using both cars and motorcycles.

If the trip must be completed in one day, I'd recommend I5 as
much as possible. The cops are no problem if you're sane, the
wind and trucks are unpleasant but tolerable. It's about 7.5
hours at legal speeds, plus stops. There's gas at Santa Nella,
Panoche Road, Highway 42, Highway 58, Buttonwillow and Grapevine.
Santa Nella is cheapest gas, at Rotten Robbie's.

For my runs I found that a prompt start after a good lunch got me to
to the Tehachapis about dinnertime, with lots of choices for places
to eat. My preference is to stop at Frazier Park, a few miles south
of the Grapevine. There are many more near Magic Mountain amusement
park.

This timing allowed me to transit LA after the evening rush. 405
has good HOV lanes from I5 to about Sunset Blvd. There's a real
squeeze from there to roughly I105, whence the HOV lanes resume.

I5 through downtown LA is very, very tight and about 9 miles
shorter. Unless you are traveling at 3 AM, or really like
lanesplitting, I do not recommend it.

One thing to note on the northbound trip is that there is often
a substantial backup at the San Onofre Border Patrol checkpoint.
Southbound is easy and fast, take care not to get tagged for
speeding through Camp Pendelton.

If you have more than one day, I suggest subscribing to
www.pashnit.com and letting your schedule be your guide.

I did 101 _once_ in a car about ten years ago. It's at least
ten hours on the road for the same trip. Somewhere around
Ventura I realized that I was doing 70 mph nose-to-tail, if
_anything_ went wrong we were all toast. Nothing went wrong,
but I'm not interested in repeating the experience.

hth,

bob prohaska
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B. Peg wrote:
> I-5 is hell on a bike. It's like a blast furnace during the day and boring
> as hell. Traffic will haul ass up to 90mph and I've been touching 100 but
> it wears you down quick, especially if you fight the crosswinds and truck
> turbulence. Seems like in one hour you haven't gone anywhere. I can
> tolerate it at night better, but the road debris may get you. Just be sure
> to keep an eye out for any plane or chopper paralleling the hwy. They can
> identify a bike really easy.
>
> I think your Hwy. 101 is a more scenic and cooler route overall. Maybe less
> patrolled too.
>
> B~
>
>
A third choice is Hwy 99. I took it north from LA on a Honda Ascot,
when I-5 seemed just too crazy. It's faster than 101 and less boring
than I-5.
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On Jun 2, 11:39?pm, Rich wrote:
> A third choice is Hwy 99. I took it north from LA on a Honda Ascot,
> when I-5 seemed just too crazy. It's faster than 101 and less boring
> than I-5.

99 gets a lot of truck traffic and the trucks have damaged the
pavement. The officials have been
talking about fixing it for the last few years. It has some long,
boring straight stretches where
the only things to see are trucks and food processing plants and more
trucks and food processing plants, etc..

Environmentalists have been trying to blame the dairy industry for the
brownish haze hanging
in the air on methane generated by cows.

There are more cows in the San Joaquin Valley than there are in
Wisconsin, and Land O Lakes cheese is made here.

The scientists claim that every cow excretes six pounds of volatile
materials every day, and that's down from thirteen pounds in an older
study.

A century ago, John Muir could see the snow capped Sierras as soon as
he crossed the Diablo range. Now you usually can't see the Sierras
from towns that are only 40 miles away.

And, as long as we're discussing long straight roads, I might as well
mention the long, lonesome straight stretches of Hwy 33 from Coalinga
to Maricopa.

Hwy 33 runs between Interstate 5 and the Diablo and Temblor ranges.
There is a prison at Avenal and places like Devils Den and The
Missouri Triangle.

Motorcycling along in solitude along Hwy 33, I wondered if there were
any gas stations
along the road and usually wound up heading east to I-5 for
refuelling.

There haven't been any hills at Lost Hills for millions of years, they
eroded away long ago, the
rivers dried up and western Tulare and Kern counties are Caliornia's
version of the basin and range geology of New Mexico and Utah.

Can you say say, "hot, dry, and desolate?"
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Albrecht wrote:
> On Jun 2, 11:39?pm, Rich wrote:
>> A third choice is Hwy 99. I took it north from LA on a Honda Ascot,
>> when I-5 seemed just too crazy. It's faster than 101 and less boring
>> than I-5.
>
> 99 gets a lot of truck traffic and the trucks have damaged the
> pavement. The officials have been
> talking about fixing it for the last few years. It has some long,
> boring straight stretches where
> the only things to see are trucks and food processing plants and more
> trucks and food processing plants, etc..
>
> Environmentalists have been trying to blame the dairy industry for the
> brownish haze hanging
> in the air on methane generated by cows.
>
> There are more cows in the San Joaquin Valley than there are in
> Wisconsin, and Land O Lakes cheese is made here.
>
> The scientists claim that every cow excretes six pounds of volatile
> materials every day, and that's down from thirteen pounds in an older
> study.
>
> A century ago, John Muir could see the snow capped Sierras as soon as
> he crossed the Diablo range. Now you usually can't see the Sierras
> from towns that are only 40 miles away.
>
> And, as long as we're discussing long straight roads, I might as well
> mention the long, lonesome straight stretches of Hwy 33 from Coalinga
> to Maricopa.
>
> Hwy 33 runs between Interstate 5 and the Diablo and Temblor ranges.
> There is a prison at Avenal and places like Devils Den and The
> Missouri Triangle.
>
> Motorcycling along in solitude along Hwy 33, I wondered if there were
> any gas stations
> along the road and usually wound up heading east to I-5 for
> refuelling.
>
> There haven't been any hills at Lost Hills for millions of years, they
> eroded away long ago, the
> rivers dried up and western Tulare and Kern counties are Caliornia's
> version of the basin and range geology of New Mexico and Utah.
>
> Can you say say, "hot, dry, and desolate?"
>

There's a case to be made that the best route between SF and SD is UAL ;-}
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Rich wrote:

> Albrecht wrote:
>> Can you say say, "hot, dry, and desolate?"

> There's a case to be made that the best route between SF and SD is UAL ;-}

No, no, no, Southwest Airlines. =8^P
Ten flights a day from San Jose,
twenty flights a day from Oakland
(service from SFO starts 26 August),
$59 each way.

Cheaper than gas and tires on a motorcycle.
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On Jun 4, 2:20?pm, Rich wrote:

> IIRC, the freeway goes right through King City without stopping now, and
> enforcement would therefore be in the hands of the CHP. Is it still a
> speed trap?

I would say that you're likely to encounter Smokey in the vicinity.

CHP headquarters is in King City right next to Motel 6 after you cross
the Salinas river.
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B. Peg wrote:
>
>I think your Hwy. 101 is a more scenic and cooler route overall. Maybe less
>patrolled too.

Second vote for 101 instead. But be careful going through King City.
Speed trap city.

Lusty
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