Oxygen Mask

Timberwoof wrote:
> In article ,
> wrote:
>
>> I started commuting on a '92 K75S in September. I live in the Los
>> Angeles area and ride 60+ miles/day in rush hour freeway traffic, 1-2
>> hours a day. I'm wondering if there is an oxygen mask that I can
>> purchase and wear while riding. Often I can smell really bad exhaust
>> fumes.. this can't be good for me. Anyone know of anything?
>
> A real SCB setup would probably be more expensive than it's worth, and
> you'd have to get medical O2 and not machine or aeronautical O2: those
> contain oil or don't have enough water.
>
> You're probably better off with some kind of particulate filter with
> activated charcoal.
>
Not to mention the danger of carrying oxygen so close to a couple of
active sparkplugs. I'd second your suggestion TW. Rider Wearhouse has
a scarf with activated charcoal filter for $30 and a mask for $45.

Rich, Urban Biker
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Rich wrote:

> Timberwoof wrote:
> > In article ,
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I started commuting on a '92 K75S in September. I live in the Los
> >> Angeles area and ride 60+ miles/day in rush hour freeway traffic, 1-2
> >> hours a day. I'm wondering if there is an oxygen mask that I can
> >> purchase and wear while riding. Often I can smell really bad exhaust
> >> fumes.. this can't be good for me. Anyone know of anything?
> >
> > A real SCB setup would probably be more expensive than it's worth, and
> > you'd have to get medical O2 and not machine or aeronautical O2: those
> > contain oil or don't have enough water.
> >
> > You're probably better off with some kind of particulate filter with
> > activated charcoal.
> >
> Not to mention the danger of carrying oxygen so close to a couple of
> active sparkplugs.

Well, oxygen by itself doesn't burn; it needs a fuel.

> I'd second your suggestion TW. Rider Wearhouse has
> a scarf with activated charcoal filter for $30 and a mask for $45.

These will get the particulates, but not CO or NOx ... but there's
precious little one can do about those anyway.

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On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:48:49 -0700, Timberwoof
wrote:

>In article ,
> wrote:
>
>> I started commuting on a '92 K75S in September. I live in the Los
>> Angeles area and ride 60+ miles/day in rush hour freeway traffic, 1-2
>> hours a day. I'm wondering if there is an oxygen mask that I can
>> purchase and wear while riding. Often I can smell really bad exhaust
>> fumes.. this can't be good for me. Anyone know of anything?
>
>A real SCB setup would probably be more expensive than it's worth, and
>you'd have to get medical O2 and not machine or aeronautical O2: those
>contain oil or don't have enough water.
>
>You're probably better off with some kind of particulate filter with
>activated charcoal.

I'll second that. If you feel you must have supplemental oxygen, check
out the suppliers for the general aviation and sailplane communities.
They use the stuff at high altitudes. My father-in-law even has some
improvised gear he made from thermos jugs to carry liquid oxygen in
his sailplanes. You probably don't want that on a motorcycle,
however...

Al Moore
DoD 734
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Alan Moore wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:48:49 -0700, Timberwoof
> wrote:
>
> >In article ,
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I started commuting on a '92 K75S in September. I live in the Los
> >> Angeles area and ride 60+ miles/day in rush hour freeway traffic, 1-2
> >> hours a day. I'm wondering if there is an oxygen mask that I can
> >> purchase and wear while riding. Often I can smell really bad exhaust
> >> fumes.. this can't be good for me. Anyone know of anything?
> >
> >A real SCB setup would probably be more expensive than it's worth, and
> >you'd have to get medical O2 and not machine or aeronautical O2: those
> >contain oil or don't have enough water.
> >
> >You're probably better off with some kind of particulate filter with
> >activated charcoal.
>
> I'll second that. If you feel you must have supplemental oxygen, check
> out the suppliers for the general aviation and sailplane communities.
> They use the stuff at high altitudes. My father-in-law even has some
> improvised gear he made from thermos jugs to carry liquid oxygen in
> his sailplanes. You probably don't want that on a motorcycle,
> however...

Dangerous and finnicky: you haver to find a way to increase the humidity
of the mix or you'll dehydrate and be unhappy. (Aviation O2 has no water
in it; otherwise ice would form in valves, and that sucks.)

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On Jun 18, 3:02 pm, wrote:
> I started commuting on a '92 K75S in September. I live in the Los
> Angeles area and ride 60+ miles/day in rush hour freeway traffic, 1-2
> hours a day. I'm wondering if there is an oxygen mask that I can
> purchase and wear while riding. Often I can smell really bad exhaust
> fumes.. this can't be good for me. Anyone know of anything?

There really isn't much/anything you can do with regards to using
oxygen. Ok, for the literal-minded: there is nothing *practical* that
you can do. However, you can get involved in local politics, and
lobby for more clean air measures, better public transportation,
etc ...
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Robster wrote:

> On Jun 18, 3:02 pm, wrote:
> > I started commuting on a '92 K75S in September. I live in the Los
> > Angeles area and ride 60+ miles/day in rush hour freeway traffic, 1-2
> > hours a day. I'm wondering if there is an oxygen mask that I can
> > purchase and wear while riding. Often I can smell really bad exhaust
> > fumes.. this can't be good for me. Anyone know of anything?
>
> There really isn't much/anything you can do with regards to using
> oxygen. Ok, for the literal-minded: there is nothing *practical* that
> you can do. However, you can get involved in local politics, and
> lobby for more clean air measures, better public transportation,
> etc ...

Clean-air measures are for tree-hugging, lung-loving liberals! They're
bad for business! We should let the market decide whether they want
clean air. If they do, they'll buy cleaner-burning cars, only buy
electricity from clean power plants. A free market will make the right
decision in the end.

Ouch. What he hell was that? I had a sudden burst of stupidity. It felt
like I was channelling President Bush.

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On Jun 18, 3:02 pm, wrote:
> I started commuting on a '92 K75S in September. I live in the Los
> Angeles area and ride 60+ miles/day in rush hour freeway traffic, 1-2
> hours a day. I'm wondering if there is an oxygen mask that I can
> purchase and wear while riding. Often I can smell really bad exhaust
> fumes.. this can't be good for me. Anyone know of anything?

Flextime. It's astonishing the difference in traffic if you can
manage to arrive at 9:30 or 10 instead of 9:00 am. There's also
that lovely little bit of silence at the end of the day after the
departure of all the boz^H^H^Hcoworkers who want you to
attend meetings, answer emails etc.
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,
Timberwoof wrote:

> In article ,
> wrote:
>
> > I started commuting on a '92 K75S in September. I live in the Los
> > Angeles area and ride 60+ miles/day in rush hour freeway traffic, 1-2
> > hours a day. I'm wondering if there is an oxygen mask that I can
> > purchase and wear while riding. Often I can smell really bad exhaust
> > fumes.. this can't be good for me. Anyone know of anything?
>
> A real SCB setup would probably be more expensive than it's worth, and
> you'd have to get medical O2 and not machine or aeronautical O2: those
> contain oil or don't have enough water.
>
> You're probably better off with some kind of particulate filter with
> activated charcoal.

You probably don't really mean to imply that aviators oxygen is
deficient in some way because it has *less* water than medical oxygen.
I've used it for many years in light airplanes and gliders, and it's
specified for aircraft use.

Oxygen-wise, I agree that medical oxygen would be a better choice
because it's cheaper and there are more places to purchase it.
Generally I have to go to airports to buy aviators oxygen. I wouldn't
breathe welder's oxygen for an hour on a bet.

Still, I'm not sure that adding a diluter-demand oxygen cannula or mask
is the solution. You'd still be breathing some bad air, but the bad air
would be diluted by oxygen; better but not perfect.

A tank could easily be $200, a regulator another $200, plus a cannula
for $50 or so. An airport pilot's shoppe could supply a complete
package. You'd want the tank in a saddle bag, but routing the hose
could be a issue, along with connect/disconnect fittings. Feh.

SCUBA equipment might work. Wouldn't be any cheaper and you'd have to
deal with a rigid hose, but as long as you didn't inhale through your
nose you'd be fine. On dive boats with nasty diesel exhaust I'll put in
my regulator and mouth breathe only. Works a treat.

Ken
'91 K100RS
still slogging the 85-237-101 valley commute
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On Jun 21, 1:51 pm, h2omike wrote:
> On Jun 21, 12:36 pm, Timberwoof
> wrote:
>
> > Expensive cars have HEPA filters, but most cars have no filters at all.
> > And even HEPA filters don't filter out the smaller smog molecules. So
> > being in a car won't help.

If you are on a bike, you will be on the road for a shorter period of
time, and so you should be breathing less pollutants than if you were
in a car. I doubt any filter will stop carbon monoxide.

As for carrying scuba gear, aviation gear, NASA spacesuit ...
whatever. Who, in their right mind would buy that gear, and then
carry it and wear it. And if you crash, might the O2 explode? No
wait ... you could just use a car, and hang one of those fancy pine-
tree deodorizers from your rear-view mirror.
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On Jun 21, 2:05 pm, Robster wrote:
> On Jun 21, 1:51 pm, h2omike wrote:
>
> > On Jun 21, 12:36 pm, Timberwoof
> > wrote:
>
> > > Expensive cars have HEPA filters, but most cars have no filters at all.
> > > And even HEPA filters don't filter out the smaller smog molecules. So
> > > being in a car won't help.
>
> If you are on a bike, you will be on the road for a shorter period of
> time, and so you should be breathing less pollutants than if you were
> in a car. I doubt any filter will stop carbon monoxide.
>
> As for carrying scuba gear, aviation gear, NASA spacesuit ...
> whatever. Who, in their right mind would buy that gear, and then
> carry it and wear it. And if you crash, might the O2 explode? No
> wait ... you could just use a car, and hang one of those fancy pine-
> tree deodorizers from your rear-view mirror.

Right, I'll live with it. I'm new to riding.. got my first bike in
September trying to figure out a better way to commute. Thought I'd
see what you seasoned riders were doing.
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muddy cat wrote:
> In article ,
> barb wrote:
>
>> enturbulated
>
> Er, if you dislike them so much why do you talk like them?
>

Because it amuses me to use nonsense words. I get all outgrabe.

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