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C. J. Klingman

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 4:18 pm
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My new EX250R is coming up on the milage (400mi) which among other things a
valve adjustment check is recommended. There is a lot involved with doing
this (coolant drain and replace, cylinder head cover sealant, etc.) I have
the maint manuals, tools, and mechanical experience to do this myself (
probably as well as most dealership mechanics) but wonder if it is really
necessary. I've seen preventive maintenance cause as many problems as it
cures in my working life. I believe in fluid replacements, of course, but
massive disassembly to inspect something that usually doesn't need anything
is often counter productive.

I'm sure this being a 14,000 rpm engine (probably will never go above 10,000
in my case, never close to this yet) has some bearing on valve clearance
inspection intervals.

In any case, give me some opinions on this subject.

C. J. Klingman
Austin, TX

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olsonm

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 5:38 pm
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C. J. Klingman wrote:
 > My new EX250R is coming up on the milage (400mi) which among other things a
 > valve adjustment check is recommended. There is a lot involved with doing
 > this (coolant drain and replace, cylinder head cover sealant, etc.) I have
 > the maint manuals, tools, and mechanical experience to do this myself (
 > probably as well as most dealership mechanics) but wonder if it is really
 > necessary. I've seen preventive maintenance cause as many problems as it
 > cures in my working life. I believe in fluid replacements, of course, but
 > massive disassembly to inspect something that usually doesn't need anything
 > is often counter productive.

 > I'm sure this being a 14,000 rpm engine (probably will never go above 10,000
 > in my case, never close to this yet) has some bearing on valve clearance
 > inspection intervals.

 > In any case, give me some opinions on this subject.

You asked for it... I just bought a '99 EX250 with about 2300 miles on it.
I had a suspicion that it never got the initial 600 mile service, so I
figured I should do a valve clearance check right away. A number of them
were at less than minimum clearance, which is a bad thing. I would not
put it off, and I would continue to follow the manufacturer's recommended
inspection/adjustment interval until you accumulate some historical data.

I made my own adjuster tool out of a nut driver and a screwdriver, but
unless you enjoy doing that sort of thing, I strongly recommend that you
cough up the money and buy the genuine Kawasaki tool (this price is from
<a rel="nofollow" style='text-decoration: none;' href="http://www.worldofpowersports.com" target="_blank">http://www.worldofpowersports.com</a> , I have not bought from them so I can't
say how good they are, although I have bought some stuff online from
<a rel="nofollow" style='text-decoration: none;' href="http://www.ronayers.com." target="_blank">http://www.ronayers.com.</a>)

57001-1220 ADJUSTER,VALVE $26.18 $26.18
Type of shipping and handling: UPS Ground (5-10 days) $8.00
Total $34.18

You will NOT be able to do the adjustment without this tool or its
equivalent, it is very tight working in there. That said, it isn't
really that hard to take off the plastics, drain the coolant, etc. In
any case, if you want your engine to last, you had better get used to
it. Smile

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Mark '01 SV650S '81 CM400T '99 EX250-F13
(my email domain is net)

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NA

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 7:28 pm
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If you're careful, you can remove the cylinder head cover without draining
the coolant. I've adjusted the valves on my EX250 a couple of times without
draining the coolant--much simpler this way.

Mark is right on the need for purchasing the OEM valve adjustment tool.
Otherwise, valve adjustment on this bike is very tough.

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 > really that hard to take off the plastics, drain the coolant, etc. In
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 7:28 pm
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"NA" wrote in message ...
 > If you're careful, you can remove the cylinder head cover without draining
 > the coolant. I've adjusted the valves on my EX250 a couple of times without
 > draining the coolant--much simpler this way.
 >
 > Mark is right on the need for purchasing the OEM valve adjustment tool.
 > Otherwise, valve adjustment on this bike is very tough.
 >
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any suggestions on where i may get the maintenance manual for this bike? thx!!
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Mark Olson

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 7:48 pm
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2_shar wrote:

 > any suggestions on where i may get the maintenance manual for this bike? thx!!

I bought mine from <a rel="nofollow" style='text-decoration: none;' href="http://www.ronayers.com" target="_blank">http://www.ronayers.com</a>

Part Number: 99924-1066-01
Description: Service Manual EX250E
Price: $28.82

Part Number: 99924-1109-60
Description: Service Manual Supplement EX250
Price: $19.46

The base manual covers the 86-87 models (EX250-E1 and EX250-E2), the
supplement details the changes over the years, for model years 88-02,
(EX250-F2 thru EX250-F16).

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sam3

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 11:00 pm
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i would check it, then forget it.
by the way, i made a tool out of a 10 mm deep quarter inch drive socket.
ground flats on it to fit an end wrench, 7/16" i seem to remember.
the screwdriver fits down the center nicely.
i don't remember (and it HAS been a while since i bought the basket cases)
having to dump the fluids........but it has been a while.
good luck, sammmm

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"C. J. Klingman" wrote in message

 > My new EX250R is coming up on the milage (400mi) which among other things
a
 > valve adjustment check is recommended. There is a lot involved with doing
 > this (coolant drain and replace, cylinder head cover sealant, etc.) I
have
 > the maint manuals, tools, and mechanical experience to do this myself (
 > probably as well as most dealership mechanics) but wonder if it is really
 > necessary. I've seen preventive maintenance cause as many problems as it
 > cures in my working life. I believe in fluid replacements, of course, but
 > massive disassembly to inspect something that usually doesn't need
anything
 > is often counter productive.
 >
 > I'm sure this being a 14,000 rpm engine (probably will never go above
10,000
 > in my case, never close to this yet) has some bearing on valve clearance
 > inspection intervals.
 >
 > In any case, give me some opinions on this subject.
 >
 > C. J. Klingman
 > Austin, TX
 >
 >
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Kaybearjr

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 12:35 am
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 >I've seen preventive maintenance cause as many problems as it cures in my
working life. I believe in fluid replacements, of course, but massive
disassembly to inspect something that usually doesn't need anything
is often counter productive.

It's possible that pressed-in valve seats might move, taking up some valuable
clearance, and the valves might burn. Checking them after a few hundred miles
is good insurance. Or maybe an adjuster locknut was left loose when the break
whistle blew and the assembler at the Kawasaki factory wasn't nearly as
dedicated as we have been led to believe...

I do agree that maintenance manuals tend to advise the owner to over-maintain
their motorcycles, and, after you've done the initial valve clearance check
after several hundred miles, you can then do the checks about half as often
(twice as many miles) as recommended.

In 31K miles on my GSXR, I have checked the valves only four times, and I
should have done it nearly nine times according to the manual.

When you do adjust your valves, disassemble your feeler gauge so that you have
about three blades in the range that you need. Use an American feeler gauge,
not a Metric gauge. Suppose the range of clearances is 0.07mm to 0.09mm. You'd
want to hit the dead center of the range, 0.08mm.

But, the difference between a 0.08 mm blade and a 0.09 mm blade is *less than
4/10,000th's of an inch*, and you can spend hours fooling around with getting
the valve clearances set to exactly 0.08mm and every time you tighten the
locknut, the clearance gets slightly looser, toward the 0.09mm end of the
range...

That's why I use American feeler gauges. And I tie a string to the blades so
they can't fall down inside the cam chain tunnel. One experience of that
misfortune is good for a lifetime...

My Yamaha FZR-1000 is coming up for its first valve clearance check after
25,000 miles. I sure hope I don't have to pull the camshafts out to re-shim a
valve that is more than 1/1000th of an inch too tight. What a PITA that would
be...
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Steve Ho

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 3:40 pm
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Kaybearjr wrote:
 > My Yamaha FZR-1000 is coming up for its first valve clearance check
 > after 25,000 miles. I sure hope I don't have to pull the camshafts
 > out to re-shim a valve that is more than 1/1000th of an inch too
 > tight. What a PITA that would be...

I checked the valve clearances on my FZR1000Exup at 20,000miles (4,000miles
before it was due). Every single inlet valve clearance was tight and outside
spec., the exhaust valve clearances were all fine. The reason I checked it
early was that an FZR forum had many reports of reducing inlet valve
clearances, well before the check was due.

The Aprilia RSV has its first sheduled valve check/adjust at 600 miles! I
guess this it to make sure any errors in the factory are sorted quickly. The
next check/adjust is at 9,300 miles but it is very rare any adjustment is
required, which is a good job as there are 4 cams (plus balance shaft) and 8
valves to contend with.
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Discovery 200TDi - 1990
BMW R80/7 - 1979
Aprilia RSV1000 Mille - 2000
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