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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:00 am
Post subject: Newbie looking for advice on a good first bike
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*stands up*
My name is Brad and I am (hoping to be) a Motorcyclist.
(Group: *Hi Brad!*)
So now that the introductions are over...
I've been looking at what to get for my first bike. At this point I'm in
love with the Yammy V-Star 650 Classic. A few friends have suggested the
Honda VTR 250 or CBF 250. They have also insinuated that perhaps the
cruiser is a little much for someone just starting out.
Truth be told I don't see much of a difference between the CBF and the
VTR (I'm told the air vs water cooled thing doesn't mean a whole lot).
I'm going to take all three for a ride on Saturday but I'm hoping for
some sage advice from you dear readers, on the relative pros/cons of
each as a newbie bike.
Thanks all.
*sits down*
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:00 am
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On Mar 1, 12:00 am, Brad <"bradley dot webb AT gmail dot com"> wrote:
> *stands up*
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> My name is Brad and I am (hoping to be) a Motorcyclist.
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> (Group: *Hi Brad!*)
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> So now that the introductions are over...
>
> I've been looking at what to get for my first bike. At this point I'm in
> love with the Yammy V-Star 650 Classic. A few friends have suggested the
> Honda VTR 250 or CBF 250. They have also insinuated that perhaps the
> cruiser is a little much for someone just starting out.
>
> Truth be told I don't see much of a difference between the CBF and the
> VTR (I'm told the air vs water cooled thing doesn't mean a whole lot).
>
> I'm going to take all three for a ride on Saturday but I'm hoping for
> some sage advice from you dear readers, on the relative pros/cons of
> each as a newbie bike.
The bike to get is one you feel comfortable on, and you can afford to
repair in the almost inevitable scenario of the 5Km/hr drop in the car
park.
All three are good learner bikes. The VTR is probably the best of the
three in terms of performance and handling but it's going to be a
while before you
If you're extremely small and weak then the weight of XVS650 *may* be
an issue but it's pretty unlikely, if you struggle to lift it off it's
side stand then get the XVS or XV250 instead (similar but smaller). No
sexism intended but this is more likely to be an issue for women than
guys.
Consider getting an old dunger for the first 3 months and THEN getting
the shiny pretty thing once you've got a handle on what you do and
don't like about the one you first got. I strongly recommend your
first bike be the cheapest thing you can find that is still physically
sound and safe. 10-15 year old GPX's CB250's, road/trails like an XL
or DT. Keep it for a couple of months and flog it off and get the nice
bike you really want (yes I know you're not going to listen, but I
feel obliged to tell you anyway).
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:00 am
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Mr Hankey wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 00:00:19 +1100, Brad wrote:
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> [...]
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> >I've been looking at what to get for my first bike. At this point I'm in
> >love with the Yammy V-Star 650 Classic. A few friends have suggested the
> >Honda VTR 250 or CBF 250. They have also insinuated that perhaps the
> >cruiser is a little much for someone just starting out.
>
> [...]
>
> My opinion:
> The learner legal bike you get now will not satisfy you after you've
> finished the P plate period, and that's all there is to it. Therefore,
> it's pointless to spend a lot of money now. Really, what you need is
> something to satisfy Mr Plod, that will last you for your anticipated
> period until the end of your P's, that will not break the bank when
> you drop it at <5kph, and that you feel comfortable on during the
> learning curve. All of that points toward a naked 250, and there are a
> myriad of inexpensive second hand types around from all manufacturers.
> Of course, some people will buy a nice 650 dual sport for the learning
> period, then keep it as a dirt bike after buying the 1200 road bike of
> their dreams. As they say, different strokes...
> BTW, cute posts will attract derisive comments in most ng's. Your
> style of posting is up to you, of course.
I'll second (third?) the "buy-an-old-dunger-250" sentiment. It's only
for a year, and not a bad idea to get the falls out of the way on the
scrappy bike before you buy a shiny new one (just ask Betty!)
And personally, I feel that the "cute post" thing is all right - it'll
take some of the heat off me in regards to the derisive ridicule. 
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:00 am
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On Mar 1, 10:29 am, "BT Humble" <bt_hum... DeleteThis @bigpond.com> wrote:
> Mr Hankey wrote:
> > On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 00:00:19 +1100, Brad wrote:
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> > [...]
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> > >I've been looking at what to get for my first bike. At this point I'm in
> > >love with the Yammy V-Star 650 Classic. A few friends have suggested the
> > >Honda VTR 250 or CBF 250. They have also insinuated that perhaps the
> > >cruiser is a little much for someone just starting out.
>
> > [...]
>
> > My opinion:
> > The learner legal bike you get now will not satisfy you after you've
> > finished the P plate period, and that's all there is to it. Therefore,
> > it's pointless to spend a lot of money now. Really, what you need is
> > something to satisfy Mr Plod, that will last you for your anticipated
> > period until the end of your P's, that will not break the bank when
> > you drop it at <5kph, and that you feel comfortable on during the
> > learning curve. All of that points toward a naked 250, and there are a
> > myriad of inexpensive second hand types around from all manufacturers.
> > Of course, some people will buy a nice 650 dual sport for the learning
> > period, then keep it as a dirt bike after buying the 1200 road bike of
> > their dreams. As they say, different strokes...
> > BTW, cute posts will attract derisive comments in most ng's. Your
> > style of posting is up to you, of course.
>
> I'll second (third?) the "buy-an-old-dunger-250" sentiment. It's only
> for a year, and not a bad idea to get the falls out of the way on the
> scrappy bike before you buy a shiny new one (just ask Betty!)
>
> And personally, I feel that the "cute post" thing is all right - it'll
> take some of the heat off me in regards to the derisive ridicule.
You mean you'd like us to spray the ridicule around ? You'd be the man
for that job !
JL >> Stay informed about: Newbie looking for advice on a good first bike |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:37 am
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Iain Chalmers wrote:
> Mr_Han... RemoveThis @qnr.com.au wrote:
> > The learner legal bike you get now will not satisfy you after you've
> > finished the P plate period, and that's all there is to it.
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> I'll just point out this is not universally true.
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> I'm not sure I'd be happy with _just_ the Spada, but it "satisfys" me
> enough that when the original one got mown down by a numpty in a HiAce,
> I bought another one to replace it...
*whimper*!
Thanks Big, you've just brought on another attack of Seller's Remorse
over my ungrateful treatment of The Jackal. 
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:05 am
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Welcome Brad,
Unless you have LOTS of money to squander, go for an adequate bike for your
first one...learn on it...make mistakes (like dropping it whilst doing tight
turns at the servo...or putting foot down in gravel etc...there's a 101 ways
to drop a bike..at least...google it..)
Then after a few months/year...get that dream bike.
Plenty of good trusty, 2nd hand learner bikes being recycled thru the
learner brigade.
But make your mistakes on a bike you can afford to fix... or live with the
imperfections...
"Brad" <"bradley dot webb AT gmail dot com"> wrote in message
news:12uav7297dmevbb@corp.supernews.com...
> *stands up*
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> My name is Brad and I am (hoping to be) a Motorcyclist.
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> (Group: *Hi Brad!*) >> Stay informed about: Newbie looking for advice on a good first bike |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:42 am
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:24 am
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"Brad" <"bradley dot webb AT gmail dot com"> wrote in message
news:12uav7297dmevbb@corp.supernews.com...
> *stands up*
>
> My name is Brad and I am (hoping to be) a Motorcyclist.
>
> (Group: *Hi Brad!*)
>
> So now that the introductions are over...
>
> I've been looking at what to get for my first bike. At this point I'm in
> love with the Yammy V-Star 650 Classic. A few friends have suggested the
> Honda VTR 250 or CBF 250. They have also insinuated that perhaps the
> cruiser is a little much for someone just starting out.
>
> Truth be told I don't see much of a difference between the CBF and the VTR
> (I'm told the air vs water cooled thing doesn't mean a whole lot).
>
> I'm going to take all three for a ride on Saturday but I'm hoping for some
> sage advice from you dear readers, on the relative pros/cons of each as a
> newbie bike.
>
> Thanks all.
>
> *sits down*
>
> --Brad
ffs....its its learner legal then go with the bike you like >> Stay informed about: Newbie looking for advice on a good first bike |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:10 am
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:21 am
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jlittler RemoveThis @my-deja.com wrote:
> On Mar 1, 10:29 am, "BT Humble" <bt_hum... RemoveThis @bigpond.com> wrote:
>> Mr Hankey wrote:
>>> On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 00:00:19 +1100, Brad wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>> I've been looking at what to get for my first bike. At this point I'm in
>>>> love with the Yammy V-Star 650 Classic. A few friends have suggested the
>>>> Honda VTR 250 or CBF 250. They have also insinuated that perhaps the
>>>> cruiser is a little much for someone just starting out.
>>> [...]
>>> My opinion:
>>> The learner legal bike you get now will not satisfy you after you've
>>> finished the P plate period, and that's all there is to it. Therefore,
>>> it's pointless to spend a lot of money now. Really, what you need is
>>> something to satisfy Mr Plod, that will last you for your anticipated
>>> period until the end of your P's, that will not break the bank when
>>> you drop it at <5kph, and that you feel comfortable on during the
>>> learning curve. All of that points toward a naked 250, and there are a
>>> myriad of inexpensive second hand types around from all manufacturers.
>>> Of course, some people will buy a nice 650 dual sport for the learning
>>> period, then keep it as a dirt bike after buying the 1200 road bike of
>>> their dreams. As they say, different strokes...
>>> BTW, cute posts will attract derisive comments in most ng's. Your
>>> style of posting is up to you, of course.
>> I'll second (third?) the "buy-an-old-dunger-250" sentiment. It's only
>> for a year, and not a bad idea to get the falls out of the way on the
>> scrappy bike before you buy a shiny new one (just ask Betty!)
>>
>> And personally, I feel that the "cute post" thing is all right - it'll
>> take some of the heat off me in regards to the derisive ridicule.
>
> You mean you'd like us to spray the ridicule around ? You'd be the man
> for that job !
>
> JL
>
Cutesy posts are for poofs.
As for spraying things around that's BT's job. >> Stay informed about: Newbie looking for advice on a good first bike |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:49 am
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"BT Humble" <bt_humble.DeleteThis@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> I'll second (third?) the "buy-an-old-dunger-250" sentiment. It's only
> for a year, and not a bad idea to get the falls out of the way on the
> scrappy bike before you buy a shiny new one (just ask Betty!)
Aaaaargh, yeah, it's true. I cried when I sent my old,
dropped-in-the-driveway several times, cheap, fully-paid-for, insured, GPX
to Bike Heaven, but not half as much as I would've cried if it'd been a
shiny new bike - or worse still, one I might've been paying off...
You'll love your first bike, whatever it is...
> And personally, I feel that the "cute post" thing is all right - it'll
> take some of the heat off me in regards to the derisive ridicule.
Oh, BT....not a chance, I reckon <evil grin>
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:57 am
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In article <bh1cu2lnernt4b28k5t10thfuu1jfhmsoa RemoveThis @4ax.com>,
Mr_Hankey RemoveThis @qnr.com.au wrote:
> The learner legal bike you get now will not satisfy you after you've
> finished the P plate period, and that's all there is to it.
I'll just point out this is not universally true.
I'm not sure I'd be happy with _just_ the Spada, but it "satisfys" me
enough that when the original one got mown down by a numpty in a HiAce,
I bought another one to replace it...
big
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:57 am
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In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 01 Mar 2007 11:57:02 +1100
Iain Chalmers <bigiain RemoveThis @mightymedia.com.au> wrote:
> In article <bh1cu2lnernt4b28k5t10thfuu1jfhmsoa RemoveThis @4ax.com>,
> Mr_Hankey RemoveThis @qnr.com.au wrote:
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>> The learner legal bike you get now will not satisfy you after you've
>> finished the P plate period, and that's all there is to it.
>
> I'll just point out this is not universally true.
>
> I'm not sure I'd be happy with _just_ the Spada, but it "satisfys" me
> enough that when the original one got mown down by a numpty in a HiAce,
> I bought another one to replace it...
I rode 250s for some time after I got the big bike licence, and still
get a kick out of the learner legal Yam, the learner legal scooter and
the learner legal in the ACT guzzis.
For a time the "big bike" was either the Pantah or the 450 single, so
the "touring bike" was the 250 MZ.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:52 pm
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:40 pm
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"BT Humble" <bt_humble.TakeThisOut@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> Iain Chalmers wrote:
>> Mr_Han....TakeThisOut@qnr.com.au wrote:
>> > The learner legal bike you get now will not satisfy you after you've
>> > finished the P plate period, and that's all there is to it.
>>
>> I'll just point out this is not universally true.
>>
>> I'm not sure I'd be happy with _just_ the Spada, but it "satisfys" me
>> enough that when the original one got mown down by a numpty in a HiAce,
>> I bought another one to replace it...
>
> *whimper*!
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> Thanks Big, you've just brought on another attack of Seller's Remorse
> over my ungrateful treatment of The Jackal.
>
>
> BTH
there there BTH..... non, je ne regrette rien or whatever it was that Edith
Piaf said (did she ever ride?) Onwards and upwards......
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