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glitch1

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:05 pm
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After putting up for years with the bad fit of some TigerAngel Custom-made
pants, the better-half, a friend and I decided to finally do something about
it and get the stuff across to Alex @ Clothes Mending Experts in
Elsternwick.
Another friend had some work done there previously which had taken way
longer than initially indicated, but turned out ok in the end.

Called, made appt. for a Sat. morning at 10 for 3 people.
After an hours drive, we stood before closed doors. After 40 mins wait, Alex
finally appeared.
After that things went quickly, everything noted/ marked off on the
leathers.
"Take your time, it's crappy weather anyway" was answered with " ok then, 4
weeks max."
4 weeks came and went. Repeated calls, then: "they'll all be done by Sat,
come at 10 again"
This time WE ran 30mins late, to make sure...
Nothing was done. Nothing was ready. 2 hrs driving and a half-Sat for zilch.
Tempers flared, answered by Alex with some sob-story about too much work,
throwing his cordless onto the workshop-floor, plastic bits flying.
OK, he'll get onto it over the weekend, drop them off on Tues/ Wed. at one
of our workplaces.
Again, nothing. More calls...and the shop-number was disconnected. Got him
on the mobile. Found out the new shop-number.
Yes..., he'll send them by mail. Tomorrow!!
More Bullshit (as expected by then), nothing turned up, the shop-number
rings out for days...
Finally some contact via mobile, getting told that 2 pairs are finished.
One of our trio knocks off work early to go and pick up those, rush-hour
Friday.
Get's told that he hasn't got them at the shop but at home.

More bad blood and heated words.
More calls over the next 2 weeks, then I get told that they're in the mail.
Regular or Overnighter? Regular !! I wait for 3 days, nothing shows up.
More calls....and I'm given a number. Calling Aussie Post, it turns out to
be an overnighter-number (express-bags). Call Alex again for him to trace
the parcel since it hasn't shown up after 3 days (according to him).
He calls back after supposedly checking with Aussie Post, saying to wait
over the weekend...
As usual...nothing.
After that, no further contact possible for 10 days (trying 2-3/day), the
shop-number rings out, the mobile is "switched off".
Visions of 3 sets of leathers being lost, the business going bust etc.

Then a copy of a Post-COD form rolled out of the fax, listing a few $100 for
3 sets of leathers.
Should I or shouldn't I? Is he sending me the pants as they were or a
stuffed pillow-case for $300+ ?
By now i certainly expect more of this shit and nothing would come as a
surprise.
4 months of hassles, bullshit and flimsy excuses, with the occasional
tantrum as a crowning glory.
I paid, got the stuff, ripped open the package in the back of the car...3
sets of leathers, obviously modified as initially agreed on.
They fit well now, it's a job well done.

Regardless of that, one "business" that'll never see me again.
I wouldn't know where to go next time, but rather find other ways than ever
calling Alex @ Clothes Mending Experts again.
He won't be around much longer with that sort of attitude anyway...

cheers
pete

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glitch wrote:
 > After putting up for years with the bad fit of some
 > TigerAngel Custom-made pants, the better-half, a friend
 > and I decided to finally do something about
 > it and get the stuff across to Alex @ Clothes Mending
 > Experts in Elsternwick.
 >
 > Another friend had some work done there previously which
 > had taken way
 > longer than initially indicated, but turned out ok in the
 > end.
 >
 > Called, made appt. for a Sat. morning at 10 for 3 people.
 > After an hours drive, we stood before closed doors. After
 > 40 mins wait, Alex finally appeared.
 >
 > After that things went quickly, everything noted/ marked
 > off on the leathers.
 >
 > "Take your time, it's crappy weather anyway" was answered
 > with " ok then, 4 weeks max."
 >
 > 4 weeks came and went. Repeated calls, then: "they'll all
 > be done by Sat, come at 10 again"
 >
 > This time WE ran 30mins late, to make sure...
 >
 > Nothing was done. Nothing was ready. 2 hrs driving and a
 > half-Sat for zilch.

At this point, I would have taken my leathers back and left. I've been in
similar situation before with assorted no-hopers posing as tradesmen.


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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:18 pm
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Shit, now thats taking your time Sad
rup


"glitch1" <glitch_oz DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:411194ef$0$6790$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
 > After putting up for years with the bad fit of some TigerAngel Custom-made
 > pants, the better-half, a friend and I decided to finally do something
about
 > it and get the stuff across to Alex @ Clothes Mending Experts in
 > Elsternwick.
 > Another friend had some work done there previously which had taken way
 > longer than initially indicated, but turned out ok in the end.
 >
 > Called, made appt. for a Sat. morning at 10 for 3 people.
 > After an hours drive, we stood before closed doors. After 40 mins wait,
Alex
 > finally appeared.
 > After that things went quickly, everything noted/ marked off on the
 > leathers.
 > "Take your time, it's crappy weather anyway" was answered with " ok then,
4
 > weeks max."
 > 4 weeks came and went. Repeated calls, then: "they'll all be done by Sat,
 > come at 10 again"
 > This time WE ran 30mins late, to make sure...
 > Nothing was done. Nothing was ready. 2 hrs driving and a half-Sat for
zilch.
 > Tempers flared, answered by Alex with some sob-story about too much work,
 > throwing his cordless onto the workshop-floor, plastic bits flying.
 > OK, he'll get onto it over the weekend, drop them off on Tues/ Wed. at one
 > of our workplaces.
 > Again, nothing. More calls...and the shop-number was disconnected. Got him
 > on the mobile. Found out the new shop-number.
 > Yes..., he'll send them by mail. Tomorrow!!
 > More Bullshit (as expected by then), nothing turned up, the shop-number
 > rings out for days...
 > Finally some contact via mobile, getting told that 2 pairs are finished.
 > One of our trio knocks off work early to go and pick up those, rush-hour
 > Friday.
 > Get's told that he hasn't got them at the shop but at home.
 >
 > More bad blood and heated words.
 > More calls over the next 2 weeks, then I get told that they're in the
mail.
 > Regular or Overnighter? Regular !! I wait for 3 days, nothing shows up.
 > More calls....and I'm given a number. Calling Aussie Post, it turns out to
 > be an overnighter-number (express-bags). Call Alex again for him to trace
 > the parcel since it hasn't shown up after 3 days (according to him).
 > He calls back after supposedly checking with Aussie Post, saying to wait
 > over the weekend...
 > As usual...nothing.
 > After that, no further contact possible for 10 days (trying 2-3/day), the
 > shop-number rings out, the mobile is "switched off".
 > Visions of 3 sets of leathers being lost, the business going bust etc.
 >
 > Then a copy of a Post-COD form rolled out of the fax, listing a few $100
for
 > 3 sets of leathers.
 > Should I or shouldn't I? Is he sending me the pants as they were or a
 > stuffed pillow-case for $300+ ?
 > By now i certainly expect more of this shit and nothing would come as a
 > surprise.
 > 4 months of hassles, bullshit and flimsy excuses, with the occasional
 > tantrum as a crowning glory.
 > I paid, got the stuff, ripped open the package in the back of the car...3
 > sets of leathers, obviously modified as initially agreed on.
 > They fit well now, it's a job well done.
 >
 > Regardless of that, one "business" that'll never see me again.
 > I wouldn't know where to go next time, but rather find other ways than
ever
 > calling Alex @ Clothes Mending Experts again.
 > He won't be around much longer with that sort of attitude anyway...
 >
 > cheers
 > pete
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >


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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:33 pm
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"BT_Humble" <za2bb.RemoveThis@optusnet.com.au>

 > At this point, I would have taken my leathers back and left. I've been in
 > similar situation before with assorted no-hopers posing as tradesmen.
 >
 >
 > BTH


It's not the tradesman part of it, but definitely a no-hoper in all other
aspects concerning his daily-bread.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:38 pm
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On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:05:09 +1000, "glitch1" <glitch_oz RemoveThis @yahoo.com>
wrote:

 >After putting up for years with the bad fit of some TigerAngel Custom-made
 >pants, the better-half, a friend and I decided to finally do something about
 >it and get the stuff across to Alex @ Clothes Mending Experts in
 >Elsternwick.
 >Another friend had some work done there previously which had taken way
 >longer than initially indicated, but turned out ok in the end.
 >
 >Called, made appt. for a Sat. morning at 10 for 3 people.
 >After an hours drive, we stood before closed doors. After 40 mins wait, Alex
 >finally appeared.
 >After that things went quickly, everything noted/ marked off on the
 >leathers.
 >"Take your time, it's crappy weather anyway" was answered with " ok then, 4
 >weeks max."
 >4 weeks came and went. Repeated calls, then: "they'll all be done by Sat,
 >come at 10 again"
 >This time WE ran 30mins late, to make sure...
 >Nothing was done. Nothing was ready. 2 hrs driving and a half-Sat for zilch.
 >Tempers flared, answered by Alex with some sob-story about too much work,
 >throwing his cordless onto the workshop-floor, plastic bits flying.
 >OK, he'll get onto it over the weekend, drop them off on Tues/ Wed. at one
 >of our workplaces.
 >Again, nothing. More calls...and the shop-number was disconnected. Got him
 >on the mobile. Found out the new shop-number.
 >Yes..., he'll send them by mail. Tomorrow!!
 >More Bullshit (as expected by then), nothing turned up, the shop-number
 >rings out for days...
 >Finally some contact via mobile, getting told that 2 pairs are finished.
 >One of our trio knocks off work early to go and pick up those, rush-hour
 >Friday.
 >Get's told that he hasn't got them at the shop but at home.
 >
 >More bad blood and heated words.
 >More calls over the next 2 weeks, then I get told that they're in the mail.
 >Regular or Overnighter? Regular !! I wait for 3 days, nothing shows up.
 >More calls....and I'm given a number. Calling Aussie Post, it turns out to
 >be an overnighter-number (express-bags). Call Alex again for him to trace
 >the parcel since it hasn't shown up after 3 days (according to him).
 >He calls back after supposedly checking with Aussie Post, saying to wait
 >over the weekend...
 >As usual...nothing.
 >After that, no further contact possible for 10 days (trying 2-3/day), the
 >shop-number rings out, the mobile is "switched off".
 >Visions of 3 sets of leathers being lost, the business going bust etc.
 >
 >Then a copy of a Post-COD form rolled out of the fax, listing a few $100 for
 >3 sets of leathers.
 >Should I or shouldn't I? Is he sending me the pants as they were or a
 >stuffed pillow-case for $300+ ?
 >By now i certainly expect more of this shit and nothing would come as a
 >surprise.
 >4 months of hassles, bullshit and flimsy excuses, with the occasional
 >tantrum as a crowning glory.
 >I paid, got the stuff, ripped open the package in the back of the car...3
 >sets of leathers, obviously modified as initially agreed on.
 >They fit well now, it's a job well done.
 >
 >Regardless of that, one "business" that'll never see me again.
 >I wouldn't know where to go next time, but rather find other ways than ever
 >calling Alex @ Clothes Mending Experts again.
 >He won't be around much longer with that sort of attitude anyway...
 >
 >cheers
 >pete
 >
 >
 >
 >
The guy who made my leathers ( custom fit ) was Mick who works from
home in Endevour Hills. He originally had a shop in Ormond Rd Elwood
for years making all sorts of leather clothing, including bike gear.
He now specializes in repairs. He is really good, well priced and
reliable. I think he also does all the repairs for Mars Leather.
His number is 9700 7405.

John
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:36 pm
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Why did you put a with bad fit for years in the first place? Why didn't you
get Tiger Angel to alter them instead of going to a shop-fronter with a
previous record of unreliability?

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"glitch1" <glitch_oz RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > After putting up for years with the bad fit of some TigerAngel Custom-made
 > pants, the better-half, a friend and I decided to finally do something
about
 > it and get the stuff across to Alex @ Clothes Mending Experts in
 > Elsternwick.
 > Another friend had some work done there previously which had taken way
 > longer than initially indicated,<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:16 pm
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Hmmm and to think I was going to put him on as one of the UDL preferred
repairers. His work has always been quick and of high quality for me.

I do know he is going through a lot of changes at present, but after
hearing glitches story Im thinking twice.

hmm hhmm hmmm


glitch1 wrote:

 > After putting up for years with the bad fit of some TigerAngel Custom-made
 > pants, the better-half, a friend and I decided to finally do something about
 > it and get the stuff across to Alex @ Clothes Mending Experts in
 > Elsternwick.
 > Another friend had some work done there previously which had taken way
 > longer than initially indicated, but turned out ok in the end.
 >
 > Called, made appt. for a Sat. morning at 10 for 3 people.
 > After an hours drive, we stood before closed doors. After 40 mins wait, Alex
 > finally appeared.
 > After that things went quickly, everything noted/ marked off on the
 > leathers.
 > "Take your time, it's crappy weather anyway" was answered with " ok then, 4
 > weeks max."
 > 4 weeks came and went. Repeated calls, then: "they'll all be done by Sat,
 > come at 10 again"
 > This time WE ran 30mins late, to make sure...
 > Nothing was done. Nothing was ready. 2 hrs driving and a half-Sat for zilch.
 > Tempers flared, answered by Alex with some sob-story about too much work,
 > throwing his cordless onto the workshop-floor, plastic bits flying.
 > OK, he'll get onto it over the weekend, drop them off on Tues/ Wed. at one
 > of our workplaces.
 > Again, nothing. More calls...and the shop-number was disconnected. Got him
 > on the mobile. Found out the new shop-number.
 > Yes..., he'll send them by mail. Tomorrow!!
 > More Bullshit (as expected by then), nothing turned up, the shop-number
 > rings out for days...
 > Finally some contact via mobile, getting told that 2 pairs are finished.
 > One of our trio knocks off work early to go and pick up those, rush-hour
 > Friday.
 > Get's told that he hasn't got them at the shop but at home.
 >
 > More bad blood and heated words.
 > More calls over the next 2 weeks, then I get told that they're in the mail.
 > Regular or Overnighter? Regular !! I wait for 3 days, nothing shows up.
 > More calls....and I'm given a number. Calling Aussie Post, it turns out to
 > be an overnighter-number (express-bags). Call Alex again for him to trace
 > the parcel since it hasn't shown up after 3 days (according to him).
 > He calls back after supposedly checking with Aussie Post, saying to wait
 > over the weekend...
 > As usual...nothing.
 > After that, no further contact possible for 10 days (trying 2-3/day), the
 > shop-number rings out, the mobile is "switched off".
 > Visions of 3 sets of leathers being lost, the business going bust etc.
 >
 > Then a copy of a Post-COD form rolled out of the fax, listing a few $100 for
 > 3 sets of leathers.
 > Should I or shouldn't I? Is he sending me the pants as they were or a
 > stuffed pillow-case for $300+ ?
 > By now i certainly expect more of this shit and nothing would come as a
 > surprise.
 > 4 months of hassles, bullshit and flimsy excuses, with the occasional
 > tantrum as a crowning glory.
 > I paid, got the stuff, ripped open the package in the back of the car...3
 > sets of leathers, obviously modified as initially agreed on.
 > They fit well now, it's a job well done.
 >
 > Regardless of that, one "business" that'll never see me again.
 > I wouldn't know where to go next time, but rather find other ways than ever
 > calling Alex @ Clothes Mending Experts again.
 > He won't be around much longer with that sort of attitude anyway...
 >
 > cheers
 > pete
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 10:21 am
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"conehead"
 > Why did you put a with bad fit for years in the first place? Why didn't
you
 > get Tiger Angel to alter them instead of going to a shop-fronter with a
 > previous record of unreliability?

Tiger Angel had 2 goes at it in the past, right after initial delivery.
Couldn't get it right, one set finished up as a patchwork-version.
Previous unreliability could well have been "one of those things that
happen", in that case timing stretched from 2to 4 weeks.
Didn't know then that it was "part-of-the-business"...
This time 4weeks to 4 months.

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"Baron Von Rotter" <baronvonrotter RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote
 > Hmmm and to think I was going to put him on as one of the UDL preferred
 > repairers. His work has always been quick and of high quality for me.
 >
 > I do know he is going through a lot of changes at present, but after
 > hearing glitches story Im thinking twice.
 >
 > hmm hhmm hmmm

As mentioned initially, no probs with quality.
Whatever his personal problems at the moment, it shouldn't reflect on the
day-to-day running of his business and as a customer I really don't care
about that...2 different things. Call me, let me know...it's fine.
The tantrums, the lying about supposed shipments and going through the
charade of "checking out where it went"...
The fax ,that also says that he fixed 2 pairs to the new Jan2005
EC-protector standards but the 3. pair wouldn't be legal after that
date...bollocks, i checked on that yesterday and there's NOTHING in the
legal pipeline indicating such a thing...
He's just full of shit.
I'm done with him and that's that (even after recommending his work highly
some months back).
Again, the work itself was/ is fine.

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:30 pm
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well these things are good to know. shame you had such a large
dickaround pete but youve probably saved me a bit of hassle in the long run.

glitch1 wrote:

 > "Baron Von Rotter" <baronvonrotter DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote
 >
  >>Hmmm and to think I was going to put him on as one of the UDL preferred
  >>repairers. His work has always been quick and of high quality for me.
  >>
  >>I do know he is going through a lot of changes at present, but after
  >>hearing glitches story Im thinking twice.
  >>
  >>hmm hhmm hmmm
 >
 >
 > As mentioned initially, no probs with quality.
 > Whatever his personal problems at the moment, it shouldn't reflect on the
 > day-to-day running of his business and as a customer I really don't care
 > about that...2 different things. Call me, let me know...it's fine.
 > The tantrums, the lying about supposed shipments and going through the
 > charade of "checking out where it went"...
 > The fax ,that also says that he fixed 2 pairs to the new Jan2005
 > EC-protector standards but the 3. pair wouldn't be legal after that
 > date...bollocks, i checked on that yesterday and there's NOTHING in the
 > legal pipeline indicating such a thing...
 > He's just full of shit.
 > I'm done with him and that's that (even after recommending his work highly
 > some months back).
 > Again, the work itself was/ is fine.
 >
 > cheers
 > pete
 >
 >

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"Baron Von Rotter" <baronvonrotter.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 > well these things are good to know. shame you had such a large
 > dickaround pete but youve probably saved me a bit of hassle in the long
run.


As long as it helps to prevent someone else falling into the same trap...
Again...the work is good, the rest is crap.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 11:33 pm
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I was thinking the same thing.... I've two sets from Tiger Angel and have to
do all my dealing from Central West Queensland (except for the drop in when
doing the yearly trip to Phillip Island) and although both set needed
alterations after receiving them tiger Angel was on the ball, had every
thing done on time and couldn't have done a better job.

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 > Why did you put a with bad fit for years in the first place? Why didn't
you
 > get Tiger Angel to alter them instead of going to a shop-fronter with a
 > previous record of unreliability?
 >
 > --
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 > try one of these wild-man pills, sir
 >
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  > > After putting up for years with the bad fit of some TigerAngel
Custom-made
  > > pants, the better-half, a friend and I decided to finally do something
 > about
  > > it and get the stuff across to Alex @ Clothes Mending Experts in
  > > Elsternwick.
  > > Another friend had some work done there previously which had taken way
  > > longer than initially indicated,
 >
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Oversized leathers? - Folks. I'm looking for recommendations for places that sell, erm, larger sized leathers. MCA and the like don't even come close, and an off the cuff quote from DBT in Yagoona is _way_ more than I want to spend at $1400 for a jacket. Anyone got some..

Looking for Dainese leathers. - I'm particular after the older "Techno" series that was released back in '96ish. I believe these were top of the line for Dianese for that period. 2 pieces is more preferable (actually the jacket is what I'm after) and I don't mind whether it's...

what motorcycle is it? - hey, could someone tell me what kind of motorcycle it is in the picture? http://heevla.host.sk/jakismotor.jpg I don't even know if it is a motorcycle. I have no idea about it and I'm a complete ignorant in this matter :D but my friend asked me to ask....

FS : Honda RS125R (gp bike) x 2 ( Byron Bay) - Posting on behalf of a friend http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~les/forsale/ This is a really cheap way of getting into the sport - ideal for juniors to learn senior roadracing if still 15yo -- Daron ebay? - http://tinyurl.com/ykgh

Another Modded Pingu - http://www.starbase01.com/media/pingu-blood.swf Aaron ZX6R
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