Making a motorcycle exhaust legal - NSW

James,

Send JL an email about this. He'll be able to tell you if u r wasting time
and money.

H

On 24/2/04 2:01 PM, in article 403abf48 RemoveThis @dnews.tpgi.com.au, "James Mayfield"
<maysol RemoveThis @tpg.com.au.nospamplease> decided to come out from under the bed and
slurred:

 > Ok - I figured, seeing as I want to get a new exhaust for the ZX10, I would
 > ring up the RTA technical line about this.
 >
 > This is what I've done.....
 >
 > I've run the number (1300-137-302) and waited on hold for around 20 minutes.
 >
 > This is what I was then told on the phone.
 >
 > Option 1:
 > On an ADR plate on the exhaust: The exhaust manufacturer, type of
 > bike it was designed for (which fairly obviously needs to be the bike it is
 > attached to), noise level at 1/2 max revs, and amount of revs that 1/2 max
 > revs is.
 >
 > Option 2:
 > On the exhaust: A marking denoting the exhaust make/model.
 > On a certification sticker attached to the bike: The exhaust
 > manufacturer, model type (as above), bike type, noise level, and revs.
 >
 > Option 3:
 > An engineers certificate ($$$) certifying that the motorcycle with
 > the exhaust fitted is road-legal.
 >
 > I am going to write to them and ask for this to be confirmed in writing, and
 > to ask about getting tested and getting the sticker.
 >
 > I will let you know what I come up with.
 >
 > Oh, and one more thing. This DOES apply to cars as well. This means that,
 > technically, unless the exhaust is bog-stock-standard on any vehicle, it
 > needs the plate and/or sticker thing, or an engineers report, or else it's
 > not legal.
 >
 > For more info, you can read this.....
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The "it applies to cars to" refers to the info, not to the pdf.

The info was what I got given by the man on the other end of the phone, and
I specifically asked him. That's why I'm going to write to them to get it
all in writing.

Basically, I rang the number to ask about bikes, so he told me the 3 option
things (oh, plus the fourth option of fitting the original exhaust) and so I
asked if that applied to cars as well, as in all of it, and the guy told me
that yes, it does. And then went on to rant and rave about loud exhausts,
polution control, etc etc etc.

So _according to what I've been told by the RTA_ all those WRX's with "The
Cannon" as it is dubbed (or the "fully sik penis extension" as it could be
more accurately titled) are actually operating illegally.

--
James Mayfield
"Insert witty comment here."



"Zebee Johnstone" <zebee.RemoveThis@zip.com.au> wrote in message
news:slrnc3lggg.8mu.zebee@zeus.zipworld.com.au...
 > In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:01:05 +1100
 > James Mayfield <maysol.RemoveThis@tpg.com.au.nospamplease> wrote:
  > > Oh, and one more thing. This DOES apply to cars as well. This means
that,
  > > technically, unless the exhaust is bog-stock-standard on any vehicle, it
  > > needs the plate and/or sticker thing, or an engineers report, or else
it's
  > > not legal.
 >
 > What makes you think it's required for cars?
 >
 > The pdf file is bikes only, did they tell you it was for cars too?
 >
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Those big mufflers on cars are certainly illegal. They are (most of the
time) on two areas - modification to standard system and above maximum db's.
There may be a loophole or workaround to the modification bit but the only
way around the noise one is to make it the max allowable and no more. That
is a good pdf file! How about Harleys with ape hangers, straight out
exhausts, chain final drives with no gaurds? Reverse shifters ala race
bikes is illegal. Sissy bars "...must not extend above the rider's head..."
LOL!


"James Mayfield" <maysol.RemoveThis@tpg.com.au.nospamplease> wrote in message
news:403bca6f$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
 > The "it applies to cars to" refers to the info, not to the pdf.
 >
 > The info was what I got given by the man on the other end of the phone,
and
 > I specifically asked him. That's why I'm going to write to them to get it
 > all in writing.
 >
 > Basically, I rang the number to ask about bikes, so he told me the 3
option
 > things (oh, plus the fourth option of fitting the original exhaust) and so
I
 > asked if that applied to cars as well, as in all of it, and the guy told
me
 > that yes, it does. And then went on to rant and rave about loud exhausts,
 > polution control, etc etc etc.
 >
 > So _according to what I've been told by the RTA_ all those WRX's with "The
 > Cannon" as it is dubbed (or the "fully sik penis extension" as it could be
 > more accurately titled) are actually operating illegally.
 >
 > --
 > James Mayfield
 > "Insert witty comment here."
 >
 >
 >
 > "Zebee Johnstone" <zebee.RemoveThis@zip.com.au> wrote in message
 > news:slrnc3lggg.8mu.zebee@zeus.zipworld.com.au...
  > > In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:01:05 +1100
  > > James Mayfield <maysol.RemoveThis@tpg.com.au.nospamplease> wrote:
   > > > Oh, and one more thing. This DOES apply to cars as well. This means
 > that,
   > > > technically, unless the exhaust is bog-stock-standard on any vehicle,
it
   > > > needs the plate and/or sticker thing, or an engineers report, or else
 > it's
   > > > not legal.
  > >
  > > What makes you think it's required for cars?
  > >
  > > The pdf file is bikes only, did they tell you it was for cars too?
  > >
  > > Zebee
 >
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It's all on the MCC of NSW website

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.mccofnsw.org.au" target="_blank">http://www.mccofnsw.org.au</a>

The RTA verbal advice is worth the paper that it's printed on unless you
recorded it, but as the old saying goes "ignorance of the law is no excuse" so
even if you can prove some public servant mislead you, you're still up the
proverbial if you get a snarky/literal magistrate

Bottom line you either have a stock pipe with matching ADR sticker on frame plus
matching part number on pipe, or you have an aftermarket pipe with the correct
label attached to the pipe stating the noise level at a certain rpm and the
manufacturer and model of pipe and manufacturer and model of the bike.

JL
(of course if the dB number represented on that aftermarket label happened to
differ from the actual noise emitted from the pipe that would be an unfortunate
accident, the fact that they just check for the sticker and not test the noise
level shouldn't prevent you from ensuring you get your noise level tested and
ensure you are under the 94 dB limit (100 pre 86))

"Hamish Alker-Jones" <hammo.DeleteThis@ihug.com.au> wrote in message
news:BC610EA7.56B99%hammo@ihug.com.au...
 > James,
 >
 > Send JL an email about this. He'll be able to tell you if u r wasting time
 > and money.
 >
 > H
 >
 > On 24/2/04 2:01 PM, in article 403abf48.DeleteThis@dnews.tpgi.com.au, "James Mayfield"
 > <maysol.DeleteThis@tpg.com.au.nospamplease> decided to come out from under the bed and
 > slurred:
 >
  > > Ok - I figured, seeing as I want to get a new exhaust for the ZX10, I would
  > > ring up the RTA technical line about this.
  > >
  > > This is what I've done.....
  > >
  > > I've run the number (1300-137-302) and waited on hold for around 20 minutes.
  > >
  > > This is what I was then told on the phone.
  > >
  > > Option 1:
  > > On an ADR plate on the exhaust: The exhaust manufacturer, type of
  > > bike it was designed for (which fairly obviously needs to be the bike it is
  > > attached to), noise level at 1/2 max revs, and amount of revs that 1/2 max
  > > revs is.
  > >
  > > Option 2:
  > > On the exhaust: A marking denoting the exhaust make/model.
  > > On a certification sticker attached to the bike: The exhaust
  > > manufacturer, model type (as above), bike type, noise level, and revs.
  > >
  > > Option 3:
  > > An engineers certificate ($$$) certifying that the motorcycle with
  > > the exhaust fitted is road-legal.
  > >
  > > I am going to write to them and ask for this to be confirmed in writing, and
  > > to ask about getting tested and getting the sticker.
  > >
  > > I will let you know what I come up with.
  > >
  > > Oh, and one more thing. This DOES apply to cars as well. This means that,
  > > technically, unless the exhaust is bog-stock-standard on any vehicle, it
  > > needs the plate and/or sticker thing, or an engineers report, or else it's
  > > not legal.
  > >
  > > For more info, you can read this.....
<font color=green>  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi28.pdf</font" target="_blank">http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi28.pdf</font</a>>
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