Journalists lap times

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:58:51 GMT, Julian Bond
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>Here we have the really important times from the last few days tests.
>That of the journalists on the Ducati demo bike.
>
>http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?lnk=rss&article=30718

Heh - that's quite a spread.

I assume that Kenny Noyes is Denis Noyes' son?
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In article <XznAEwL5lsMHFAW3 RemoveThis @jblaptop.voidstar.com>,
julian_bond RemoveThis @voidstar.com says...
> Here we have the really important times from the last few days tests.
> That of the journalists on the Ducati demo bike.
>
> http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?lnk=rss&article=30718
>
>
Go, Digger!

Kudos for Neeves.

I didn't realise Crashcart was still alive!
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"Champ" <news DeleteThis @champ.org.uk> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:58:51 GMT, Julian Bond
> <julian_bond DeleteThis @voidstar.com> wrote:
>
>>Here we have the really important times from the last few days tests.
>>That of the journalists on the Ducati demo bike.
>>
>>http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?lnk=rss&article=30718
>
> Heh - that's quite a spread.
>
> I assume that Kenny Noyes is Denis Noyes' son?

Yes. He should be about 30 now. Brought up in a similar fashion to KRJR:
combination of dirt track and Spanish road racing background.
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In article <dop5j3tm1a2d1ck5ln2gtfm0l6s5e9um5k.RemoveThis@4ax.com>,
Champ <news.RemoveThis@champ.org.uk> wrote:

> On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:58:51 GMT, Julian Bond
> <julian_bond.RemoveThis@voidstar.com> wrote:
>
> >Here we have the really important times from the last few days tests.
> >That of the journalists on the Ducati demo bike.
> >
> >http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?lnk=rss&article=30718
>
> Heh - that's quite a spread.

now look at the times from the day before:

Casey Stoner 1:32.095
Marco Melandri 1:33.835s

So the _best_ writer was over 6 seconds off the pace - and that was
Mamola who gets to ride the two seat desmosedici at every round, Noyes
is seven and a half seconds down and Gardener "in third place" is ten
and a half seconds a lap down...

I have my doubts about just how much Cathcart can tell about a bikes
performance if he's 20+ seconds off race pace - he sure gets to ride and
review a lot of super cool race bikes though - I'd suggest it was 'cause
he's so slow he'd never crash them, but didn't he trowel a Kawasaki
MotoGP bike a few years back?

Goes to show just how much faster the top guys are than the rest of us
though - I've done a trackday when Wayne Gardener was there and he was
_spectacularly_ fast compared to even the _fast_ trackday punters...

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Iain Chalmers notes:

> I have my doubts about just how much Cathcart can tell about a bikes
> performance if he's 20+ seconds off race pace - he sure gets to ride and
> review a lot of super cool race bikes though -

Why does Cycle Spew still give him so much space if he's that
slow? They must think the history factor - being able to compare
what he thought about last year's and the year before's etc -
is more important than actually being able to find out how the
thing works somewhere nearer race speed. I'd find somebody
new and faster if it was me.

And I thought the Gobert guy was a fairly fast club racer, he had
real rides for a while here in the states. If so, his times are
depressing for the rest of us club racers, in comparison to the
fast guys.


Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.
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On Nov 14, 1:36 pm, sturd <mikesturdevant....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Iain Chalmers notes:
>
> > I have my doubts about just how much Cathcart can tell about a bikes
> > performance if he's 20+ seconds off race pace - he sure gets to ride and
> > review a lot of super cool race bikes though -
>
> Why does Cycle Spew still give him so much space if he's that
> slow? They must think the history factor - being able to compare
> what he thought about last year's and the year before's etc -
> is more important than actually being able to find out how the
> thing works somewhere nearer race speed. I'd find somebody
> new and faster if it was me.
>

You'd need to find someone who wasn't contracted to a particular
manufacturer in some way (as most racers and many ex-racers are),
someone that the teams trusted not to destroy their bike, someone who
could churn out a few thousand credible, intelligent and coherent
words, and finally someone who was available to come to where the bike
is at a time when it suits the team.

We also don't know how many laps each rider got, the state of the
tyres, traffic on the circuit, etc.
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Champ notes:

> Standard format is just 4 or 5 laps.
>
> While I'm fairly confident that I could be closer than 20 seconds to
> the pace, I'm not sure I could do it in 4 laps.

Yeabut Crashcart was slower than any of the other slow
journalists. In particular to Cycle Spew, since I read it every
week, they've got a kid roadracer writing up new bikes,
wish I could remember his name. Why not send him instead
of Sir Slow? I guess it's because they don't see actually
exercising the bike as important. Just plodding along is
enough for them. I'd like more though.

Waitaminute. I just checked and Steve Atlas, 10 seconds
faster than His Royal Slowness at this test, is the Cycle Spew
road editor. Will they let him write up the MotoGP bikes???


Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:52:57 -0800, RealMart
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>You'd need to find someone who wasn't contracted to a particular
>manufacturer in some way (as most racers and many ex-racers are),
>someone that the teams trusted not to destroy their bike, someone who
>could churn out a few thousand credible, intelligent and coherent
>words, and finally someone who was available to come to where the bike
>is at a time when it suits the team.

This is a reasonable point - these journo tests are about getting
publicity for the manufacturers. You have to be able to write too.

>We also don't know how many laps each rider got, the state of the
>tyres, traffic on the circuit, etc.

Standard format is just 4 or 5 laps.

While I'm fairly confident that I could be closer than 20 seconds to
the pace, I'm not sure I could do it in 4 laps.

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> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:52:57 -0800, RealMart
> <RedLegMedia DeleteThis @googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>You'd need to find someone who wasn't contracted to a particular
>>manufacturer in some way (as most racers and many ex-racers are),
>>someone that the teams trusted not to destroy their bike, someone who
>>could churn out a few thousand credible, intelligent and coherent
>>words, and finally someone who was available to come to where the bike
>>is at a time when it suits the team.
>
> This is a reasonable point - these journo tests are about getting
> publicity for the manufacturers. You have to be able to write too.
>
>>We also don't know how many laps each rider got, the state of the
>>tyres, traffic on the circuit, etc.
>
> Standard format is just 4 or 5 laps.
>
> While I'm fairly confident that I could be closer than 20 seconds to
> the pace, I'm not sure I could do it in 4 laps.
>

If it was a track you were familiar with and had some semblance of the speed
and braking available, I'll bet you could. And that shouldn't be too many
"ifs".
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In article <1195074487.844320.22670.TakeThisOut@v2g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
sturd <mikesturdevant127.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Champ notes:
>
> > Standard format is just 4 or 5 laps.
> >
> > While I'm fairly confident that I could be closer than 20 seconds to
> > the pace, I'm not sure I could do it in 4 laps.
>
> Yeabut Crashcart was slower than any of the other slow
> journalists. In particular to Cycle Spew, since I read it every
> week, they've got a kid roadracer writing up new bikes,
> wish I could remember his name. Why not send him instead
> of Sir Slow?

I think it's more a case of "Sir Slow" getting invited to all the tests,
and then selling his articles to "Cycle Spew", along with a bunch of
other publications at the same time - I read his tests in a local
Australian mag called Australian Motorcycle News - I _know_ they don't
"send" Cathcart anywhere - they just syndicate his writing...

Alex Gobert (also in the slow end of the group) probably did get sent by
AMCN, and Gardener may or may not have gotten his invitation through a
competing local mag called Rapid Bikes that he writes for.

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