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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:55 pm
Post subject: Illegal aliens in the US
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After watching the morning news, I found some of the comments made by
the 'illegal's' supporters quite amusing. The best was when the march
was described as the 'new civil rights movement'. As an 'outsider' on
this issue I couldn't figure out how they (illegals) can possibly think
of themselves as 'slaves to the white rascists'.
They left their country of their own free will to look for a better life
in the States, without going through the proper channels. Now they are
bitching about 'rights' they think they should have. If these guys all
get an 'amnesty', it makes a joke of the whole immigration system and is
unfair on the people who are trying to enter legally.
From the way I see it, it's the people who employ 'illegals' to do work
for them are the cause of this flood. If they knew they HAD to have a
'green card' or there would be no work, they would stop coming over. And
nail the employers at the same time. If they are paying 'illegals' in
cash, they are dodging the tax system as well.
Or, if all the illegals were gone, would 'real' Americans do the work
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:55 pm
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"Brian" <brian.TakeThisOut@itnz.co.nz> wrote
> From the way I see it, it's the people who employ 'illegals' to do work
> for them are the cause of this flood. If they knew they HAD to have a
> 'green card' or there would be no work, they would stop coming over.
Alas, not true. Anyone can pick up a very well-done fake green card, social
security card, and driver's lisence all in one package for circa $60. The
waiting time is about 1/2 hour, and it's no harder to find the sellers than
it is to buy drugs.
> Or, if all the illegals were gone, would 'real' Americans do the work the
> 'illegals' did?
Well, it would raise the labor costs by a significant amount, but that's who
did these jobs before the invasion from the south began.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 12:55 am
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"P.Roehling" wrote:
> Anyone can pick up a very well-done fake green card, social
> security card, and driver's lisence all in one package for circa $60.
Uh, how does that work? What happens if you get stopped by the cops
and they try to dial up your D/L # on their computer and it doesn't
check out? The forgers can't fake an entry in the state's MV records
can they?
Same question applies to the other doco; no matter how good
the forgery is, there's nothing behind it.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 12:55 am
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"Sean" <no.spam RemoveThis @no.spam> wrote
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>> Anyone can pick up a very well-done fake green card, social
>> security card, and driver's lisence all in one package for circa $60.
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> Uh, how does that work?
Apparently pretty well. They get plenty of jobs with those I.D.s. (Which is,
after all, the point.)
> What happens if you get stopped by the cops
> and they try to dial up your D/L # on their computer and it doesn't
> check out?
They run; thereby providing everyone with entertainment by causing accidents
that kill and maim innocent bystanders. And, of course, since they carry no
insurance said innocents are totally on their own when it comes to paying
for the resulting hospitalization.
> The forgers can't fake an entry in the state's MV records
> can they?
Not yet.
> Same question applies to the other doco; no matter how good
> the forgery is, there's nothing behind it.
It's good enough to get them by from day to day. If it weren't, there would
be no market for fake I.D.s. Comprende?
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 3:55 pm
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On Tue, 02 May 2006 09:53:31 +1200, Brian <brian.DeleteThis@itnz.co.nz> wrote:
> From the way I see it, it's the people who employ 'illegals' to do work
>for them are the cause of this flood.
True. And the illegals would be shooting themselves in their own foot
cause once they're legit they're no longer employable @ $3/hr.
> If they knew they HAD to have a
>'green card' or there would be no work, they would stop coming over. And
>nail the employers at the same time. If they are paying 'illegals' in
>cash, they are dodging the tax system as well.
Sure. Let's screw over the small businessman and eradicate all forms
of non-corporate business. Wal Mart for everyone!
>Or, if all the illegals were gone, would 'real' Americans do the work
>the 'illegals' did?
Probably not. 'Real Americans' would rather collect welfare than work
the kinds of jobs that illegals do. Illegals can't cause they're not
on the books. Say... now all this legalisation business starts to make
sense! Pedro wants to take a siesta on your dime.
I kinda wonder why politicians are even noticing this issue. They
usually don't pay attention to voters, let alone illegal alien
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 5:37 pm
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Chuck Rhode wrote:
> This brought down an irrational but withering backlash against the
> Anarchists who were one of the groups agitating in favor of the 8-hour
> workday.
They were these bomb carrying dudes with long beards who were hiding
out all over the country waiting to strike and who had to be rooted out
mercilessly ? Boy I'm glad we don't have that. >> Stay informed about: Illegal aliens in the US |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 8:59 pm
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Rob Kleinschmidt wrote this on Tue, 02 May 2006 17:37:16 -0700. My reply
is below.
> Chuck Rhode wrote:
>> This brought down an irrational but withering backlash against the
>> Anarchists who were one of the groups agitating in favor of the 8-hour
>> workday.
> They were these bomb carrying dudes with long beards who were hiding out
> all over the country waiting to strike and who had to be rooted out
> mercilessly ? Boy I'm glad we don't have that.
Yeah, they were all done away with a long time ago. So was the 8-hour
workday for that matter.
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... 1979 Honda Goldwing GL1000 (Geraldine)
... 1978 Honda Goldwing GL1000 (Fenris)
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 10:13 pm
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 2:55 pm
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On Tue, 02 May 2006 15:13:00 -0500, Chuck Rhode <cRhode.DeleteThis@excel.net>
wrote:
>I'm sure, like me, you've surmised it for some time. Now barking
>moonbat wisdom confirms it: Programming computers and repairing cars
>are both on the list of those little jobs that Americans no longer
>care much about doing.
You know, ever since I got my computer repaired, when I turn it on, it
makes this little trumpet sound and a voice says something like,
"Hola, mi amigo! Que Honda?" I always wondered, how did it know what
kind of motorcycle I ride?
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 10:38 am
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Venture Rider wrote:
> On 2 May 2006 17:37:16 -0700, Rob Kleinschmidt said:
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> >They were these bomb carrying dudes with long beards
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> Or was that bong carrying dudes with long beards?
I think they're both supposed to be hated and feared
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 1:59 pm
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Brian wrote:
> From the way I see it, it's the people who employ
> 'illegals' to do work for them are the cause of this flood.
> If they knew they HAD to have a 'green card' or there would
> be no work, they would stop coming over. And nail the
> employers at the same time. If they are paying 'illegals'
> in cash, they are dodging the tax system as well.
>
> Or, if all the illegals were gone, would 'real' Americans
> do the work the 'illegals' did?
Another riderless day, eh Brian? 
I see a greater problem. People want to enter US because they
can find work, illegally or not. Their country leaders need
to fix the problems in their own country, so their people will
want to stay.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 9:41 am
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High Plains Thumper wrote:
> Brian wrote:
>
>> From the way I see it, it's the people who employ
>> 'illegals' to do work for them are the cause of this flood.
>> If they knew they HAD to have a 'green card' or there would
>> be no work, they would stop coming over. And nail the
>> employers at the same time. If they are paying 'illegals'
>> in cash, they are dodging the tax system as well.
>>
>> Or, if all the illegals were gone, would 'real' Americans
>> do the work the 'illegals' did?
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> Another riderless day, eh Brian?
hehe....not at all. I have a few 'loops' to choose from each day, from
20 min to 2 hours....and if the weather isn't too nasty, I'm practicing.
I'm really enjoying a bike that's way better than my abilities (at the
moment!)
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> I see a greater problem. People want to enter US because they
> can find work, illegally or not. Their country leaders need
> to fix the problems in their own country, so their people will
> want to stay.
>
We are 'global' these days. More than a quarter of NZers live and work
overseas....and there's nothing wrong with the living/work conditions
here. But this is an Island (well, a few Isalands), so we don't get
people just wandering across a border.
What is the point of even having a border if it's not enforced?....same
goes for the people hiring 'illegals', if there are laws, they must be
enforced, or we can all just do as we want with no consequences. >> Stay informed about: Illegal aliens in the US |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 11:48 am
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Brian wrote:
> What is the point of even having a border if it's not
> enforced?....same goes for the people hiring 'illegals', if
> there are laws, they must be enforced, or we can all just
> do as we want with no consequences.
We have been wondering the same, too.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:44 am
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I live in Phoenix and it's horrible here – and honestly, it is sometimes scary. Even the conservative state surveys show that every Arizona family is paying $1,700 per year to deal with this problem. They're breaking the law. They are trespassing. A country without borders is not a country. You can't just let anyone who wants to come and live in your house. You will run out of food, water, electricity – you get the idea.
Okay. I'll calm down now. Have a happy new year!
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