Hyosung GT650 vs Suzuki SV650

"James" <funngums DeleteThis @XXXyahoo.com> wrote in message

 > Hi Marty, Who is *we* or are *you* just more comfortable talking from
 > within a group perspective, where your misinformation can be spread
 > and blamed, on others with their heads in the same sand pit?

Hmmm, that'd leave the rear-end sticking-up, I guess ) more hmmmm...

 > Even the most prolific knockers who post here will be affected
 > if my predictions are correct.
 > James


Big IF, ....looking at commercial realities and the track-record in the
car-game.
Kia is owned by....
Daewoo is owned by...
For the Chinese...bloody long way to go yet...and then they'll be owned
by...??
Could'nt sell a Hyosung second-hand in Europe for a hand-o-bananas (where
they've been around for
a few years in the small-class, mostly rideable with car-license), again,
long way to go....
O/S friend of mine had a 125cc Hyo-Harley, bought it 2.hand, 6 mths old,
1200km, "cheaaap, maaaate", then got $300 as a trade-in 1 year later, and it
was in immaculate nick then. The Kwaka-dealer still had it 8 mths
later...with a $600 sticker on it.

.....and then they'll be owned by...??

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James wrote:
 >
 > How do they both stack up?
 > Is the Suzuki sv650 ...any/much/no... better than the Hyosung?
 > Informed comments from experienced riders of
 > both bikes would be very helpful. TIA
 > James

Experienced riders are not going to admit to riding learner legal girls bikes
like these, so you're unlikely to get much informed comment here. HTH.

Nev..
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Sayeth Nev.. <idiot DeleteThis @mindless.com>:
 > James wrote:
  > >
  > > How do they both stack up?
  > > Is the Suzuki sv650 ...any/much/no... better than the Hyosung?
  > > Informed comments from experienced riders of
  > > both bikes would be very helpful. TIA
  > > James
 >
 > Experienced riders are not going to admit to riding learner legal girls bikes
 > like these, so you're unlikely to get much informed comment here. HTH.

Snerk snerk snerk. Nev's got girl's germs!

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Nev wrote:
 > Experienced riders are not going to admit to riding learner legal girls bikes
 > like these, so you're unlikely to get much informed comment here. HTH.

Yeah, but you'd have to be a poofter to ride a bike with a fairing!


BTH
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"glitch1" <glitch_oz.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 >
 > "James" <funngums.RemoveThis@XXXyahoo.com> wrote in message
 >
  >> Hi Marty, Who is *we* or are *you* just more comfortable talking from
  >> within a group perspective, where your misinformation can be spread
  >> and blamed, on others with their heads in the same sand pit?
 >
 > Hmmm, that'd leave the rear-end sticking-up, I guess ) more hmmmm...
 >
  >> Even the most prolific knockers who post here will be affected
  >> if my predictions are correct.
  >> James
 >
 >
 > Big IF, ....looking at commercial realities and the track-record in the
 > car-game.
 > Kia is owned by....
 > Daewoo is owned by...
 > For the Chinese...bloody long way to go yet...and then they'll be owned
 > by...??
 > Could'nt sell a Hyosung second-hand in Europe for a hand-o-bananas (where
 > they've been around for
 > a few years in the small-class, mostly rideable with car-license), again,
 > long way to go....
 > O/S friend of mine had a 125cc Hyo-Harley, bought it 2.hand, 6 mths old,
 > 1200km, "cheaaap, maaaate", then got $300 as a trade-in 1 year later, and
 > it
 > was in immaculate nick then. The Kwaka-dealer still had it 8 mths
 > later...with a $600 sticker on it.
 >
 > ....and then they'll be owned by...??
 >
 > pete
 >
 >
 >
AND.....the very first Honda 50cc stepthrough scooters were
NZ 115 pounds in 1959, and they were mainly owned and funded by
an american I believe. BUT...who owns them now?
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"bill_h" <billhinchcliff.RemoveThis@deadspam.com> wrote in message
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 > The pommie Bike magazine recently did a write up on the Hyosung, and
 > it copped a caning when compared to the SV. In particular Bike wasn't
 > impressed with the high speed handling, saying "The front end feels
 > loose and detached at any speed, a trait shared with both smaller
 > comets... Maybe it's caused by the geometry. A 25.5 degree rake angle
 > is nothing special - almost identical to the SV in fact - but the 85mm
 > trail is a substantial 15 mm shorter. This could go some way to
 > explain its quicker steering and occasional instability." The pillion
 > pad and lack of grab rail similarly compared poorly.
 >
 > Bike reported regarding the comparitive dry weights, "One area where
 > the Hyosung clearly loses out is the weight. At 196 kg dry, the
 > Comet's a hefty 31 kg heavier than the unfaired SV650 and stepping off
 > my own SV onto the Comet the difference is obvious. This alone will be
 > enough to give the Suzuki the edge in the performance stakes." (The
 > claimed horse power ratings were 78 hp for the Hyosung, and 70 hp for
 > a 2003 SV). In summary Bike thought that the price saving (UK 850
 > pound) was not enough when considering the weight difference, high
 > speed weaving (around 160 kph), better instruments on the SV, better
 > pillion accomodation on the SV, and ultimately the sales and service
 > backup from Suzuki.
 >
 > cheers, Bill


Thanks for that great info Bill. I couldn't possibly snip any of it to save
space.
Remember though that Suzuki has had decades of experience and Hyosung
can only get better.
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"Zebee Johnstone" <zebee.DeleteThis@zip.com.au> wrote in message
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 > In aus.motorcycles on Sun, 15 Aug 2004 17:46:26 +1200
 > James <funngums.DeleteThis@XXXyahoo.com> wrote:
  >>
  >> never be able to compete with honestly. Remember (if you are old enough)
  >> how in the late 50's many said the Japanese bikes would never survive
  >> against the british. The truth is now history. Time now for the Korean
  >> and
  >> Chinese made bikes huh?
 >
 > There is a massive difference in the two situations.
 >
 > By the mid 60s, which is when the Japanese started to make inroads, the
 > Brit industry hadn't done any innovation for some years.
 >
 > Their bikes were the same, in some cases, as their pre-war models,
 > just with telescopic forks. You had to pay extra for just about
 > everything - speedo, indicators, centrestand.
 >
 > And unless you paid top dollar, what you got was old and slow. There was
 > a massive aftermarket for a reason! The Brits got complacent because
 > they were selling all they could make in the 50s, and the booking 60s
 > caught them on the hop. They had no idea what to do about the scooter
 > boom, they were only just catching onto the 250 learner limit, they were
 > saddled with old factories and machinery and blinkered boards who thought
 > the punters would buy heavy singles and twins till the end of time.
 >
 > Then along came the Japanese...
 >
 > You could buy a 125 Suzuki Stinger, with a 5 (6?) speed box, that would
 > beat the fastest Brit 250 in both top speed and quartermile, had all the
 > extras like indicators and tacho and speedo, *and* was cheaper.
 >
 > The Japs had horsepower and smart new designs.
 >
 > Sure, in the early 70s their motors had well outstripped their chassis,
 > but those who reckon a mid 70s Bonneville was a better bike than a mnid
 > 70s Honda or Kawasaki 4 probably haven't ridden one... The Europeans
 > had faster better handling bikes, but they cost the earth[1]
 >
 > The Japanese did have design and quality control problems in the
 > beginning. They were working most of it out from scratch after all.
 > But their innovative engineers, their willingness to use new materials
 > and new designs, and crucially their new factories and manufacturing
 > methods[2] meant they could produce amazing machines quickly and cheaply.
 >
 > There's no comparison to now. THen the Brits were using old designs,
 > old factories, and were utterly unable to change. Now the Japanese are
 > at the top in damn near everything, still innovating, still making fast,
 > cheap, top quality gear that the punters are buying heaps of.
 >
 > THe Koreans have a much much harder row to hoe. THey are now where
 > the Japs where when the Japs were making copies of BSAs and Triumphs.
 > Pure copying while they learn what to do. But their rivals aren't a
 > moribund industry handicapped by clueless boards[3] and ancient factories
 > and work practices.
 >
 > They will be a threat to the Japanese in the low to middle market, the
 > place they aimed at with things like the small Hyundais. The price
 > concious consumer who isn't all that interested in paying a premium
 > for tech or top speed, but wants a cheaper bike that will do prettty
 > well for those who aren't super fast riders. That looks quite nice,
 > does the job more or less.
 >
 > But you can't say they'll *really* threaten the Japs till they are
 > bringing out not SV650 copies but GSXR750 beaters.
 >
 > Cos it won't be till then that they can make a decent profit margin and
 > be seen as good in their own right, not just a cheap bike that's mostly
 > OK.
 >
 > Zebee
 >
 >
 > [1] as an example, the V7 sport was faster and a better handler than
 > pretty well anything made by the Japanese... but not that much faster,
 > although considerably better handling. And in 1972 it cost A$2200, the
 > Honda 4 cost *half* that.
 >
 > [2] the Brits were still hearth brazing frames...
 >
 > [3] the story of the Vetter Triumph is instructive....



Hi again Zebee,
Now we seem to be getting into some cool information, and it's
exactly what I'd hoped for. The current situation is more competitive
and will have resultant slanging matches and lies when many existing
manufacturers and resellers try to keep their market share, and realise
there's no other cost effective way, brcause in truth, the quality of most
Korean and Chinese made bikes is right up with the best.
Consumers, (you and me) will benefit with the far cheaper prices,
but will have trouble selling used bikes. Tradein prices will hit the floor.

It's really great to debate with people like you, who know the facts.
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In aus.motorcycles on Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:18:41 +1200
James <funngums RemoveThis @XXXyahoo.com> wrote:
 > Now we seem to be getting into some cool information, and it's
 > exactly what I'd hoped for. The current situation is more competitive
 > and will have resultant slanging matches and lies when many existing
 > manufacturers and resellers try to keep their market share, and realise
 > there's no other cost effective way, brcause in truth, the quality of most
 > Korean and Chinese made bikes is right up with the best.

Depends on what is being bought.

In the 1950s it was cheap transport. You bought a bike because cars
were expensive and hard to get.

Then along came cheaper cars - Morris Minors, later minis, in Oz there
were locally produced Holdens - and you didn't have to put up with the
inconvenience of a bike and sidecar to pull the family about.

So bikes began their new role as a toy.

And that's what they are now, a toy. The vast majority are bought the
way all adult toys are bought, as much about looks and status as what
they are like to ride.

Which is why Harley sell heaps of bikes compared to the Japanese
imitation, they still win in the status stakes. Which is more important
to a lot of people than price, build quality, horsepower etc.

The non-cruiser market is still status driven, it's just that the status
markers are different. Race wins, horsepower figures, and high tech
whatsits (as long as they aren't *too* high tech) are what sell bikes.

The Korean bikes might be cheaper, they might be sorta close in
power/weight, but the bod who turns up on one *knows* they are going to
lose in the status stakes. BEcause they have a cheap imitation that
isn't quite as fast, hasn't won races. But importantly is a cheap
imitation.

To sell to the sportbike market, they will have to win races, or find
some other way to shed that "cheap imitation" image.

The Koreans might do better in the scooter market, which is just as
status conscious but more open to style rather than wanting the extra
half horsepower.

OR else they can try the MuZ route - top class name brand bits to try
and up the status level. But you can't do that on the cheap.

My guess is they'll try for the learner who isn't quite as clear on
what's low status and what's not, and hope to keep them on a Hyosung
when they outgrow their VTR205 copy. But by that stage, the learner
will have been around enough to know what's hot and what's not. And with
a loan from the bank they can have a high status bike.

But if they sponsor LAM rider training, and generally do all they can to
get newer and less status conscious riders on the bikes, they might get
a small percentage of the market. They won't be a huge threat though
until they can find a better reason than price as to why someone should
buy their toy instead of the more shiny one.


Zebee
- who goes the "old but expensive when new" status route. But who
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"Nev.." <idiot.RemoveThis@mindless.com> wrote in message
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 > James wrote:
  >>
  >> How do they both stack up?
  >> Is the Suzuki sv650 ...any/much/no... better than the Hyosung?
  >> Informed comments from experienced riders of
  >> both bikes would be very helpful. TIA
  >> James
 >
 > Experienced riders are not going to admit to riding learner legal girls
 > bikes
 > like these, so you're unlikely to get much informed comment here. HTH.
 >
 > Nev..
 > '03 ZX12R

Hi Nev,
I'm an *experienced rider* and I'm happy to admit to owning whatever
bike I've ever owned. I guess it's depth of character and the willingness
to laugh at one's own mistakes before moving on. We've all owned
*learner* bikes, and shouldn't be worried about admitting that.
If you want to be seen as one tough he man biker, I can understand
your statement, but isn't it better to be down to earth honest, like
a real ozzie tough guy who only want's to help his mates, and to hell
with what anyone else might think of him. I reckon most of the posters
here are genuine and decent, but this preoccupation with not wanting
to look like a *girl* often get's in the way.

James
1952 49cc Power Pack (on men's sports bike.)
1953 36cc Cyclemaster.
1955 BSA Winged Wheel. 49cc
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"sharkey" <sharkey.TakeThisOut@zoic.org> wrote in message
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 > Sayeth Nev.. <idiot.TakeThisOut@mindless.com>:
  >> James wrote:
   >> >
   >> > How do they both stack up?
   >> > Is the Suzuki sv650 ...any/much/no... better than the Hyosung?
   >> > Informed comments from experienced riders of
   >> > both bikes would be very helpful. TIA
   >> > James
  >>
  >> Experienced riders are not going to admit to riding learner legal girls
  >> bikes
  >> like these, so you're unlikely to get much informed comment here. HTH.
 >
 > Snerk snerk snerk. Nev's got girl's germs!
 >
 > -----sharks


*smile* that's a cool nickname......"Sharkey" not a girl's at all.
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"Nev.." <idiot.DeleteThis@mindless.com> wrote in message
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 > James wrote:
  > >
  > > How do they both stack up?
  > > Is the Suzuki sv650 ...any/much/no... better than the Hyosung?
  > > Informed comments from experienced riders of
  > > both bikes would be very helpful. TIA
  > > James
 >
 > Experienced riders are not going to admit to riding learner legal girls
bikes
 > like these, so you're unlikely to get much informed comment here. HTH.
 >
 > Nev..
 > '03 ZX12R

Pfft. Experienced riders don't need 1200cc ego-extenders to potter around
on, either.
You're such a bitch, Nev.

--
conehead
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"conehead" <conehead DeleteThis @witsend.com> wrote in message news:2ob3gdF7m8vtU1@uni-berlin.de...
 > "Nev.." <idiot DeleteThis @mindless.com> wrote in message
 > news:411F750E.637404EB@mindless.com...
  > > James wrote:
   > > >
   > > > How do they both stack up?
   > > > Is the Suzuki sv650 ...any/much/no... better than the Hyosung?
   > > > Informed comments from experienced riders of
   > > > both bikes would be very helpful. TIA
   > > > James
  > >
  > > Experienced riders are not going to admit to riding learner legal girls
 > bikes
  > > like these, so you're unlikely to get much informed comment here. HTH.
  > >
  > > Nev..
  > > '03 ZX12R
 >
 > Pfft. Experienced riders don't need 1200cc ego-extenders to potter around
 > on, either.
 > You're such a bitch, Nev.
 >
 > --
 > conehead
 > try one of these wild-man pills, sir
 >
 >

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"James" <funngums RemoveThis @XXXyahoo.com> wrote in message
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 >
 > "Marty H" <aus_avhc"nospam"@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
 > news:2o8d9kF7n2nlU1@uni-berlin.de...
  > >
  > > hold your breath, you might just go blue and drop dead
  > >
  > > we are still waiting for likes of Hyundai and the others to take over
  > > Toyota, Honda and Nissan
  > >
  > > mh
  > >
 >
 > Hi Marty, Who is *we* or are *you* just more comfortable talking from
 > within a group perspective,

no james I talk on behalf of the group....youre a goose


 > where your misinformation can be spread
 > and blamed,

this is aus.moto....not the the high court of australia....shit!

misinformation BAWAWAWAWA, hello!! hello!!! this is the internet!!

 > on others with their heads in the same sand pit?

if you want to win friends with insults you have come to the right place

 >
 > I don't know about Hyundai, but if you believe you have genuine
information
 > contrary to my expressed opinions,

do I win a show bag if I do?
I have lots of information...I have the intermanet

 > I'd like to debate the matter logically.

good for you...... I like to debate on a mass scale

 > Who knows we might both learn something,

nope, already know everything, I was a teenager once

 >and our fellow bikers might
 > be better informed about the future of our sport. (or whatever you like to
 > call it) Even the most prolific knockers who post here will be affected
 > if my predictions are correct.

put you money is where your mouth is, go buy the Hyosung, it prolly a great
bike, just dont come hear and whinge when you cant get spare parts and the
its only worth $3.50 and a kick in the nuts as a trade in.

its a different era, they will never be another Japanese revolution like we
saw 20-40 years ago

when the Korean's take over the world, I give you permission to say "I told
you so".....but dont hold your breath.

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