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EZ

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:02 pm
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Grab one of your choice on my tab, and pardon the stupid questions,
but if I don't ask, I'll be ignorant *and* stupid!

I picked up my '08 Ultra on a day with near record-high 75 degrees
out. While riding around, stopping at traffic lights, etc., I noticed
what other folks have mentioned, namely, the engine gets *really* hot.
So hot that I can already tell I'll want one of the two solutions I've
seen discussed here and elsewhere before the temps get to 90 plus
outside.

One solution is the "crotch protector" I saw installed on a few '07
models at the dealer. Basically, it's a piece of plastic that mounts
under the front part of the seat, and keeps the heat off your inner
thigh.

Another is on page 141 of the owner's manual, where it mentions the
"Engine Idle Temperature Management System," an optional "dealer
enabled engine calibration" that offers "limited rear cylinder cooling
with the vehicle stopped while the engine is left at idle." I presume
this is the modification that makes the rear cyllinder stop firing
while you're stopped at idle, and fires it up when you start moving
again. Kinda like my wife's new Impala, which runs on three cyllinders
when cruising, and kicks in the other three when needed.

I bought the service manual when I picked up my bike, and I haven't
found anywhere in it where these mods are discussed.

Are either of these solutions effective for keeping the heat off my
sensitive parts?

Grab another while I go get some lunch...
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_____ _____
| ____| |__ / Larry from St. Louis, MO
| _| / / SENS, MAMBM, MISFIT, TOMKAT
| |___ / /_ BS #269 DOF #(I forget)
|_____| /____| 105th Anniversary Edition Ultra

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:02 pm
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On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:10:07 GMT, EZ <EZ.Rider.DeleteThis@NOSPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Grab one of your choice on my tab, and pardon the stupid questions,
>but if I don't ask, I'll be ignorant *and* stupid!
>
>I picked up my '08 Ultra on a day with near record-high 75 degrees
>out. While riding around, stopping at traffic lights, etc., I noticed
>what other folks have mentioned, namely, the engine gets *really* hot.
>So hot that I can already tell I'll want one of the two solutions I've
>seen discussed here and elsewhere before the temps get to 90 plus
>outside.
>
>One solution is the "crotch protector" I saw installed on a few '07
>models at the dealer. Basically, it's a piece of plastic that mounts
>under the front part of the seat, and keeps the heat off your inner
>thigh.
>
>Another is on page 141 of the owner's manual, where it mentions the
>"Engine Idle Temperature Management System," an optional "dealer
>enabled engine calibration" that offers "limited rear cylinder cooling
>with the vehicle stopped while the engine is left at idle." I presume
>this is the modification that makes the rear cyllinder stop firing
>while you're stopped at idle, and fires it up when you start moving
>again. Kinda like my wife's new Impala, which runs on three cyllinders
>when cruising, and kicks in the other three when needed.
>
>I bought the service manual when I picked up my bike, and I haven't
>found anywhere in it where these mods are discussed.
>
>Are either of these solutions effective for keeping the heat off my
>sensitive parts?
>
>Grab another while I go get some lunch...

'08's after a certain build date allow you to turn the rear cylinder
idle feature off & on whenever you want. There's been some discussion &
instruction on the feature on HDFORUMS.COM under the "Touring" forum.
Personally, I'm not impressed by turning off one cylinder. My solution was a
PowerCommander III USB. Another is ThunderMax. Both cool off the motor & make
the bike run better.
-

Jinks ('86FXRS, '07 FLTR)
#64
Remember, "No good deed goes unpunished"

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:02 pm
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Jinks wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:10:07 GMT, EZ <EZ.Rider DeleteThis @NOSPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>> I picked up my '08 Ultra on a day with near record-high 75 degrees
>> out. While riding around, stopping at traffic lights, etc., I noticed
>> what other folks have mentioned, namely, the engine gets *really* hot.


> My solution was a
> PowerCommander III USB. Another is ThunderMax. Both cool off the motor & make
> the bike run better.
> -
>
> Jinks ('86FXRS, '07 FLTR)
> #64
> Remember, "No good deed goes unpunished"

Amen.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:02 pm
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Jinks wrote:
My solution was a
> PowerCommander III USB. Another is ThunderMax. Both cool off the motor & make
> the bike run better.

Yup. Seems like any fuel management system besides stock Harley. They
could, but then it won't pass emissions. I'm using the V&H Fuelpak w/the
2-1 exhaust on my '07. Much cooler. M' bud Pete uses the same pipes with
the Harley Race Tuner, he's got no complaints either on his '07.

Fins BS#221
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:03 pm
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"EZ" <EZ.Rider.TakeThisOut@NOSPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:8gpjq35judni3dfit9jrm9fqfpi50j2thq@4ax.com...
> Grab one of your choice on my tab, and pardon the stupid
> questions,
> but if I don't ask, I'll be ignorant *and* stupid!
>
> I picked up my '08 Ultra on a day with near record-high 75
> degrees
> out. While riding around, stopping at traffic lights,
> etc., I noticed
> what other folks have mentioned, namely, the engine gets
> *really* hot.
> So hot that I can already tell I'll want one of the two
> solutions I've
> seen discussed here and elsewhere before the temps get to
> 90 plus
> outside.
>
> One solution is the "crotch protector" I saw installed on
> a few '07
> models at the dealer. Basically, it's a piece of plastic
> that mounts
> under the front part of the seat, and keeps the heat off
> your inner
> thigh.
>
> Another is on page 141 of the owner's manual, where it
> mentions the
> "Engine Idle Temperature Management System," an optional
> "dealer
> enabled engine calibration" that offers "limited rear
> cylinder cooling
> with the vehicle stopped while the engine is left at
> idle." I presume
> this is the modification that makes the rear cyllinder
> stop firing
> while you're stopped at idle, and fires it up when you
> start moving
> again. Kinda like my wife's new Impala, which runs on
> three cyllinders
> when cruising, and kicks in the other three when needed.
>
> I bought the service manual when I picked up my bike, and
> I haven't
> found anywhere in it where these mods are discussed.
>
> Are either of these solutions effective for keeping the
> heat off my
> sensitive parts?
>
> Grab another while I go get some lunch...
> --
> _____ _____
> | ____| |__ / Larry from St. Louis, MO
> | _| / / SENS, MAMBM, MISFIT, TOMKAT
> | |___ / /_ BS #269 DOF #(I forget)
> |_____| /____| 105th Anniversary Edition Ultra

the use of an oil cooler and synthetic oil dropped my oil
temp, in the tank, 50 degrees...
I run a 95" stroker evo-engine...

thanks for the coke...

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Doug

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:43 pm
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AH#104 sezz:
> I *really* want a 2 into 1,,, but haven't decided on which one yet.
> I'm going to stop in to Tilley's one of these trips from NJ to NC to
> SC, and check out his setup. He's got a "performance" exhaust that is
> supposed to also be quite. I forgot the name.

RB Racing? Black Hole?
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Doug

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:52 pm
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AH#104 sezz:
> I axed:
>> RB Racing? Black Hole?
>
> I don't think that's the one...
> but that's a nice looking pipe,
> http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/lsr21blackhole.htm
> particularly the shape coming from the rear cylinder.

They *are* nice - and they are proud of 'em too. I don't know anyone with
one of their black hole systems but I've seen / heard some of the others and
they, by ear, were as loud as other aftermarket systems IMO.

> Typically, they dance around how loud they are.
> A GoldWing is about 85dBA, most late model BMWs are 90-95dBA, H-D OEM
> are as high as 105dBA.
> 105 is twice as loud as 95, and 4 times as loud as 85...
> So if they say "they're in that range"... it really doesn't give me
> ANY idea where that range is.

Indeed. It sure was different riding my Dad's wing for a day on the recent
trip to FL. It was pulling a trailer and riding with a group so I didn't
really flog it but it sure ran good...and quiet.

> But, I think I better start looking for some of these at some shows
> and such. Maybe check out the vendor booths at BikeWeek...

Good luck!
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:03 pm
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On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 14:03:59 -0600, "'Key" <Key.DeleteThis@Ya.Net> wrote:

>the use of an oil cooler and synthetic oil dropped my oil
>temp, in the tank, 50 degrees...
>I run a 95" stroker evo-engine...

Well, sunny beaches. Dealer already told me that at the 1,000 mile
checkup he's gonna switch me to Syn3. That oughtta buy me a few
degrees.

>thanks for the coke...

Yer welcome. I'm home now, so it's Jack shots and beer for me, trying
to shake this whatever's tryin' to get me.

>
>my2¢

I've always appreciated yer two cents. Resized 'r not. <sfsf>
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| ____| |__ / Larry from St. Louis, MO
| _| / / SENS, MAMBM, MISFIT, TOMKAT
| |___ / /_ BS #269 DOF #(I forget)
|_____| /____| 105th Anniversary Edition Ultra
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:03 pm
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"EZ" wrote in message

> I've always appreciated yer two cents. Resized

That's be a penny.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:30 pm
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On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:21:45 GMT, "AH#104" <ah104 DeleteThis @yourhat.att.net> wrote:

>Jinks sed:
>>Personally, I'm not impressed by turning off one cylinder.
>>My solution was a PowerCommander III USB.
>>Another is ThunderMax.
>
>Another solution... So you *didn't* do the TunderMax.
>Still got the stock mufflers?

Since I'm keepin' it *nearly* stock I decided the TMax was overkill for
now. I'm also keepin' the stock exhaust for a while. The quiet of the BMW
spoiled me. Warranty ends & my attitude may change.......<shrug>

>I *really* want a 2 into 1,,, but haven't decided on which one yet.
>I'm going to stop in to Tilley's one of these trips from NJ to NC to SC,
>and check out his setup. He's got a "performance" exhaust that is
>supposed to also be quite. I forgot the name.

Good luck with that! I could do either a set of true duals or a good 2
into 1, but doubt I can find any quiet enough. Let me know how you do.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:25 pm
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"EZ" <EZ.Rider.DeleteThis@NOSPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Grab one of your choice on my tab, and pardon the stupid questions,
> but if I don't ask, I'll be ignorant *and* stupid!
>
> I picked up my '08 Ultra on a day with near record-high 75 degrees
> out. While riding around, stopping at traffic lights, etc., I noticed
> what other folks have mentioned, namely, the engine gets *really* hot.
> So hot that I can already tell I'll want one of the two solutions I've
> seen discussed here and elsewhere before the temps get to 90 plus
> outside.
>
> One solution is the "crotch protector" I saw installed on a few '07
> models at the dealer. Basically, it's a piece of plastic that mounts
> under the front part of the seat, and keeps the heat off your inner
> thigh.
>
> Another is on page 141 of the owner's manual, where it mentions the
> "Engine Idle Temperature Management System," an optional "dealer
> enabled engine calibration" that offers "limited rear cylinder cooling
> with the vehicle stopped while the engine is left at idle." I presume
> this is the modification that makes the rear cyllinder stop firing
> while you're stopped at idle, and fires it up when you start moving
> again. Kinda like my wife's new Impala, which runs on three cyllinders
> when cruising, and kicks in the other three when needed.
>
> I bought the service manual when I picked up my bike, and I haven't
> found anywhere in it where these mods are discussed.
>
> Are either of these solutions effective for keeping the heat off my
> sensitive parts?

Take a look at this thread. The stuff from nightrider is relativly
inexpensive and reportedly works well on stock bikes.

http://tinyurl.com/2fhdee

http://tinyurl.com/28pxcs

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:10 pm
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EZ wrote:

> Grab one of your choice on my tab, and pardon the stupid questions,
> but if I don't ask, I'll be ignorant *and* stupid!
>
> I picked up my '08 Ultra on a day with near record-high 75 degrees
> out. While riding around, stopping at traffic lights, etc., I noticed
> what other folks have mentioned, namely, the engine gets *really* hot.
> So hot that I can already tell I'll want one of the two solutions I've
> seen discussed here and elsewhere before the temps get to 90 plus
> outside.
>
> One solution is the "crotch protector" I saw installed on a few '07
> models at the dealer. Basically, it's a piece of plastic that mounts
> under the front part of the seat, and keeps the heat off your inner
> thigh.
>
> Another is on page 141 of the owner's manual, where it mentions the
> "Engine Idle Temperature Management System," an optional "dealer
> enabled engine calibration" that offers "limited rear cylinder cooling
> with the vehicle stopped while the engine is left at idle." I presume
> this is the modification that makes the rear cyllinder stop firing
> while you're stopped at idle, and fires it up when you start moving
> again. Kinda like my wife's new Impala, which runs on three cyllinders
> when cruising, and kicks in the other three when needed.
>
> I bought the service manual when I picked up my bike, and I haven't
> found anywhere in it where these mods are discussed.
>
> Are either of these solutions effective for keeping the heat off my
> sensitive parts?
>
> Grab another while I go get some lunch...
> --

My Ultra is an '05 but it got plenty hot. On a 95 degree day I always
seemed to smell roasting nuts when I stopped. My early fix was to buy a
set of V&H true dual pipes on ebay. Fairly inexpensive, something like
$260 for the pipes from American Classic Cycle. I used them with the stock
mufflers and the bike ran fine and it got rid of a bunch of heat from
under my seat and on my right leg. I added a power commander later and
things got even better. This might be a reasonable cure for ya to try if
you're so inclined. I've still got the true duals on now almost four years
later with no regrets.



nobody #1
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:28 pm
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On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 18:25:00 -0600, "frito" <frito DeleteThis @ipa.net> wrote:

>Take a look at this thread. The stuff from nightrider is relativly
>inexpensive and reportedly works well on stock bikes.
>
>http://tinyurl.com/2fhdee
>
>http://tinyurl.com/28pxcs

Thanks, Fred. This looks good.
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| ____| |__ / Larry from St. Louis, MO
| _| / / SENS, MAMBM, MISFIT, TOMKAT
| |___ / /_ BS #269 DOF #(I forget)
|_____| /____| 105th Anniversary Edition Ultra
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:10:35 -0500, nobody #1 <rnddmauck.DeleteThis@comcast.net>
wrote:

> My Ultra is an '05 but it got plenty hot. On a 95 degree day I always
>seemed to smell roasting nuts when I stopped. My early fix was to buy a
>set of V&H true dual pipes on ebay. Fairly inexpensive, something like
>$260 for the pipes from American Classic Cycle. I used them with the stock
>mufflers and the bike ran fine and it got rid of a bunch of heat from
>under my seat and on my right leg. I added a power commander later and
>things got even better. This might be a reasonable cure for ya to try if
>you're so inclined. I've still got the true duals on now almost four years
>later with no regrets.

I might go that far if I have to. I ride every day it's decent out,
and there are plenty of stoplights to sit and fry at in St. Louis.
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| ____| |__ / Larry from St. Louis, MO
| _| / / SENS, MAMBM, MISFIT, TOMKAT
| |___ / /_ BS #269 DOF #(I forget)
|_____| /____| 105th Anniversary Edition Ultra
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