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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 8:51 pm
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Finally I am getting my new tires. Any suggestions on what I should
get? I was thinking of the Dunlop D220 or perhaps the Bridgestone
BT-020. Are there any other tires of this type I can look at?
Perhaps something that goes longer mileage wise then these? I don't
mind a little slippage in the corners.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 4:07 am
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>From: Michael Fell mfell2112 RemoveThis @yahoo.com
>I was thinking of the Dunlop D220 or perhaps the Bridgestone BT-020. Are
there any other tires of this type I can look at? Perhaps something that goes
longer mileage wise then these? I don't mind a little slippage in the corners.
Well, you will get some slippage out of BT-020's then, so you won't mind it.
I've got 5K miles on a set of BT-020's on my FZR-1000 and it looks like the
back will go 10K miles, but the front is cupping a bit from my experiments with
tire pressures.
It doesn't ride well on the freeway with 36 pounds in the front, it rides a lot
better with 34 pounds, but then it doesn't handle right in the turns with 34.
BT-020 fronts have a reputation anyway for feeling vague when you first turn. I
suspect that the overly tall and narrow BT-020 "out-tracks" too far when
countersteered and riders pick up on that characteristic as vagueness...
The BT-020 front tire has Bridgestone's "Lightning" tread pattern, which is
designed for wet weather traction. All those isolated tread blocks grab rain
grooves on California freeways, and if the section of pavement is also a little
bumpy, the forks will shimmy. Not at all confidence inspiring...
And the 120-70X17 that most riders use has a tall sidewall and a steep profile
that keeps most riders from using the whole profile of the tread and that
aggravates cupping because the rider can't get down to the relatively heavily
braced edges of the tread. I was amazed to find that the BT-020 front tire
makes my FZR-1000 feel exactly like a 1980's GS-1100 Suzuki, just as though it
had a 19-inch front wheel...
Some riders on other lists have been recommending using a softer BT-010 on the
front. It has less grooving so it probably won't cup as bad. And the pictures
in the catalog make the tire look like the profile isn't as steep.
But, who knows?
I don't have any issues at all with the BT-020 rear tire...
I was getting 9K to 11K out of Metzeler Me-Z1's and Me-Z2's, but they stopped
supplying the correct front tire size for the FZR-1000, which should be a
130-60X17, not a 120-70X17.
It's been said that the Dunlop D-220 replaces the D-205's, but I have recently
seen D-205's advertised on the web. They are a harder compound version of the
Dunlop Sportmax. When I had to decide whether to buy
Dunlop D-220's or Bridgestones, I ran into the size problem again. Dunlop
offered a 130-70X17 instead of a
130-60X17, and I figured that it would make my bike really feel like a boat,
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 7:50 am
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"Kaybearjr" <kaybearjr.RemoveThis@aol.comical> wrote in message
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> >From: Michael Fell mfell2112.RemoveThis@yahoo.com
>
> >I was thinking of the Dunlop D220 or perhaps the Bridgestone BT-020. Are
> there any other tires of this type I can look at? Perhaps something that
goes
> longer mileage wise then these? I don't mind a little slippage in the
corners.
>
> Well, you will get some slippage out of BT-020's then, so you won't mind
it.
> I've got 5K miles on a set of BT-020's on my FZR-1000 and it looks like
the
> back will go 10K miles, but the front is cupping a bit from my experiments
with
> tire pressures.
>
> It doesn't ride well on the freeway with 36 pounds in the front, it rides
a lot
> better with 34 pounds, but then it doesn't handle right in the turns with
34.
> BT-020 fronts have a reputation anyway for feeling vague when you first
turn. I
> suspect that the overly tall and narrow BT-020 "out-tracks" too far when
> countersteered and riders pick up on that characteristic as vagueness...
>
> The BT-020 front tire has Bridgestone's "Lightning" tread pattern, which
is
> designed for wet weather traction. All those isolated tread blocks grab
rain
> grooves on California freeways, and if the section of pavement is also a
little
> bumpy, the forks will shimmy. Not at all confidence inspiring...
>
> And the 120-70X17 that most riders use has a tall sidewall and a steep
profile
> that keeps most riders from using the whole profile of the tread and that
> aggravates cupping because the rider can't get down to the relatively
heavily
> braced edges of the tread. I was amazed to find that the BT-020 front tire
> makes my FZR-1000 feel exactly like a 1980's GS-1100 Suzuki, just as
though it
> had a 19-inch front wheel...
>
> Some riders on other lists have been recommending using a softer BT-010 on
the
> front. It has less grooving so it probably won't cup as bad. And the
pictures
> in the catalog make the tire look like the profile isn't as steep.
> But, who knows?
>
> I don't have any issues at all with the BT-020 rear tire...
>
> I was getting 9K to 11K out of Metzeler Me-Z1's and Me-Z2's, but they
stopped
> supplying the correct front tire size for the FZR-1000, which should be a
> 130-60X17, not a 120-70X17.
>
> It's been said that the Dunlop D-220 replaces the D-205's, but I have
recently
> seen D-205's advertised on the web. They are a harder compound version of
the
> Dunlop Sportmax. When I had to decide whether to buy
> Dunlop D-220's or Bridgestones, I ran into the size problem again. Dunlop
> offered a 130-70X17 instead of a
> 130-60X17, and I figured that it would make my bike really feel like a
boat,
> reducing the maneuverability...
>
>
I was having some of the same issues you were having, with the handling of
my bike with the 130x60x17 front tire, I have tried many tire combinations
on my 1992 FZR- 1000. Now you may think I am crazy with all the bad talk
about the Metzeler Me Z4's
The best combo I have found for my bike is the Metzeler Me Z4 120x60x17 with
36 Psi. (Front)
The rear tire is 170x70x17 with 38 Psi. (Rear) the ride I get from this tire
setup is very stable at high speeds, and in the corners. I get between 8K to
11K with this tire combo.
With the lower profile front, tire the bike turns into the corners much
smother and quicker. I have tried the Dunlop D-220s they only lasted 6K and
I did not like the feel I got in the rain with them.
However, in the end each rider and bike setup is different, and what works
for one might not work for the other.
Jim Mc
1992 FZR 1000
>
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 1:17 pm
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>From: Michael Fell
>I was thinking of the Dunlop D220 or perhaps the Bridgestone
>BT-020.
I just read somewhere (I think it was MO) that Dunlops were universally their
least favorite tires. I had some 207s once and I thought they were fine.
Anyway, now I'm a Bridgestone convert. The 020's aren't gonna slip at your pace
and will last as long as any semi sport tire. And with that torque monter of
yours I'd have to run 020s. I'd have a softer tire flat spotted in no time.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Highest mileage sport touring tire? |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 4:16 pm
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Jim wrote:
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> "Kaybearjr" <kaybearjr RemoveThis @aol.comical> wrote in message
> news:20030817230705.06890.00001554@mb-m06.aol.com...
> > >From: Michael Fell mfell2112 RemoveThis @yahoo.com
> >
> > >I was thinking of the Dunlop D220 or perhaps the Bridgestone BT-020. Are
> > there any other tires of this type I can look at? Perhaps something that
> goes
> > longer mileage wise then these? I don't mind a little slippage in the
> corners.
> >
> > Well, you will get some slippage out of BT-020's then, so you won't mind
> it.
> > I've got 5K miles on a set of BT-020's on my FZR-1000 and it looks like
> the
> > back will go 10K miles, but the front is cupping a bit from my experiments
> with
> > tire pressures.
> >
> > It doesn't ride well on the freeway with 36 pounds in the front, it rides
> a lot
> > better with 34 pounds, but then it doesn't handle right in the turns with
> 34.
> > BT-020 fronts have a reputation anyway for feeling vague when you first
> turn. I
> > suspect that the overly tall and narrow BT-020 "out-tracks" too far when
> > countersteered and riders pick up on that characteristic as vagueness...
> >
> > The BT-020 front tire has Bridgestone's "Lightning" tread pattern, which
> is
> > designed for wet weather traction. All those isolated tread blocks grab
> rain
> > grooves on California freeways, and if the section of pavement is also a
> little
> > bumpy, the forks will shimmy. Not at all confidence inspiring...
> >
> > And the 120-70X17 that most riders use has a tall sidewall and a steep
> profile
> > that keeps most riders from using the whole profile of the tread and that
> > aggravates cupping because the rider can't get down to the relatively
> heavily
> > braced edges of the tread. I was amazed to find that the BT-020 front tire
> > makes my FZR-1000 feel exactly like a 1980's GS-1100 Suzuki, just as
> though it
> > had a 19-inch front wheel...
> >
> > Some riders on other lists have been recommending using a softer BT-010 on
> the
> > front. It has less grooving so it probably won't cup as bad. And the
> pictures
> > in the catalog make the tire look like the profile isn't as steep.
> > But, who knows?
> >
> > I don't have any issues at all with the BT-020 rear tire...
> >
> > I was getting 9K to 11K out of Metzeler Me-Z1's and Me-Z2's, but they
> stopped
> > supplying the correct front tire size for the FZR-1000, which should be a
> > 130-60X17, not a 120-70X17.
> >
> > It's been said that the Dunlop D-220 replaces the D-205's, but I have
> recently
> > seen D-205's advertised on the web. They are a harder compound version of
> the
> > Dunlop Sportmax. When I had to decide whether to buy
> > Dunlop D-220's or Bridgestones, I ran into the size problem again. Dunlop
> > offered a 130-70X17 instead of a
> > 130-60X17, and I figured that it would make my bike really feel like a
> boat,
> > reducing the maneuverability...
> >
> >
> I was having some of the same issues you were having, with the handling of
> my bike with the 130x60x17 front tire, I have tried many tire combinations
> on my 1992 FZR- 1000. Now you may think I am crazy with all the bad talk
> about the Metzeler Me Z4's
>
> The best combo I have found for my bike is the Metzeler Me Z4 120x60x17 with
> 36 Psi. (Front)
>
> The rear tire is 170x70x17 with 38 Psi. (Rear) the ride I get from this tire
> setup is very stable at high speeds, and in the corners. I get between 8K to
> 11K with this tire combo.
>
> With the lower profile front, tire the bike turns into the corners much
> smother and quicker. I have tried the Dunlop D-220s they only lasted 6K and
> I did not like the feel I got in the rain with them.
>
> However, in the end each rider and bike setup is different, and what works
> for one might not work for the other.
>
> Jim Mc
>
> 1992 FZR 1000
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
Hey guys,
Thanks for all the great info! I didn't realize there are so many
FZR1000 owners in this newsgroup.
Gary
'92 FZR1000
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 8:56 pm
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kaybearjr.RemoveThis@aol.comical (Kaybearjr) wrote in
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> Some riders on other lists have been recommending using a softer
> BT-010 on the front. It has less grooving so it probably won't
> cup as bad. And the pictures in the catalog make the tire look
> like the profile isn't as steep. But, who knows?
This has been my experience; I'm running an 010 on the front and an
020 on the rear of my Sprint RS. The 010 seems a bit stickier, but
it does not seem to turn in as fast as the 020, probably due to the
profile. Hasn't been in issue for my style of riding, however.
Overall, I like the 010/020 combination.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:49 pm
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In article <20030818081709.01762.00000245.DeleteThis@mb-m22.aol.com>, Saddlebag wrote:
> I just read somewhere (I think it was MO) that Dunlops were
> universally their least favorite tires. I had some 207s once and I
> thought they were fine. Anyway, now I'm a Bridgestone convert. The
I had 207s three times, the second two because that's all the shop in
the area had. I wonder why people rave about these tires. Under heavy
braking they would always slide with a loud bark, unlike my Pilot Sports
which would stoppie for speed traps without fail. The 207 in the rain
was worse. I found the Macadam had comparable traction and feel on the
street with twice the milage.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 2:48 am
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:51:43 -0500, Michael Fell <mfell2112.RemoveThis@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>Finally I am getting my new tires. Any suggestions on what I should
>get? I was thinking of the Dunlop D220 or perhaps the Bridgestone
>BT-020. Are there any other tires of this type I can look at?
>Perhaps something that goes longer mileage wise then these? I don't
>mind a little slippage in the corners.
>
>Thanks
>
>Mike
When I bought the 650T in June it had brand new Battle Axe BT-45 V's
on it. So far only 2500 miles but absolutely no noticable wear at
all. I'm expecting a lot of life out of them...maybe 8-10K?
The 45 V's have never slid out even on my 500+ lb bike but real
corners don't exist in these parts 
I did have the rear let loose a few times during WOT roll-ons but
after playing around with dampening and suspension air pressures that
went away. Now as long as the tires are at operating temperature the
bike will wheelie long before the rear even thinks of doing a burn out
at 70 mph.
The 20's you mentioned might be the perfect choice, especially for a
lightweight Buell in which handling is what the bike is all about.
Also probably the most "sport" you're going to get in a sport/touring
tire and you'll still get decent mileage out of them. If you do a lot
of travelling as I do the 45's will last forever and still let you
have a lot of fun.
George
CX500 TURBO
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 3:12 am
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:48:12 GMT, vairxpert DeleteThis @hotmail.com (cxTurbo)
wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:51:43 -0500, Michael Fell <mfell2112 DeleteThis @yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Finally I am getting my new tires. Any suggestions on what I should
>>get? I was thinking of the Dunlop D220 or perhaps the Bridgestone
>>BT-020. Are there any other tires of this type I can look at?
>>Perhaps something that goes longer mileage wise then these? I don't
>>mind a little slippage in the corners.
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Mike
>
>When I bought the 650T in June it had brand new Battle Axe BT-45 V's
>on it. So far only 2500 miles but absolutely no noticable wear at
>all. I'm expecting a lot of life out of them...maybe 8-10K?
I have a 170 rear. Do they make this size?
Thanks
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 3:27 am
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>From: vairxpert RemoveThis @hotmail.com (cxTurbo)
>When I bought the 650T in June it had brand new Battle Axe BT-45 V's on it.
So far only 2500 miles but absolutely no noticable wear at all. I'm expecting
a lot of life out of them...maybe 8-10K? The 45 V's have never slid out even on
my 500+ lb bike but real corners don't exist in these parts I did have the
rear let loose a few times during WOT roll-ons but after playing around with
dampening and suspension air pressures that went away. Now as long as the
tires are at operating temperature the bike will wheelie long before the rear
even thinks of doing a burn out at 70 mph.
I installed a set of BT-45V's on my old '86 GSXR-750 because they're cheap. The
tread blocks are kind of cushy and unsupported and I can move the tread blocks
around by squeezing the tire with my hand. Taking a tight corner at 35 mph near
the Rock Store, I used a little too much throttle and broke the rear end loose.
The BT-45V's feel squirmy on rain grooves.
I previously had a really old oversized Dunlop K-591R (you wouldn't believe how
old) which were getting its grip because of its large size, and, even as old as
it was, it had more grip than the new BT-45V's, under most conditions. I had
gotten used to the way the K-591R felt, leaned over in a corner, it felt like I
could get stop and get off the bike while leaned over and it would stay leaned
over. I don't have as much confidence in the Bridgestones, even though they are
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 3:36 am
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 02:12:59 GMT, Michael Fell <mfell2112.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:48:12 GMT, vairxpert.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com (cxTurbo)
>wrote:
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>>On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:51:43 -0500, Michael Fell <mfell2112.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
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>>>Finally I am getting my new tires. Any suggestions on what I should
>>>get? I was thinking of the Dunlop D220 or perhaps the Bridgestone
>>>BT-020. Are there any other tires of this type I can look at?
>>>Perhaps something that goes longer mileage wise then these? I don't
>>>mind a little slippage in the corners.
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>Mike
>>
>>When I bought the 650T in June it had brand new Battle Axe BT-45 V's
>>on it. So far only 2500 miles but absolutely no noticable wear at
>>all. I'm expecting a lot of life out of them...maybe 8-10K?
>
> I have a 170 rear. Do they make this size?
>
Not that wide. According to Bridgestone's site 150 is the largest
rear BT-45.
020's would be no problem and I bet the wear wouldn't be that far off
from the 45's.
I don't think you could go wrong with the 020's. I've never heard
anyone complain about any of the Battleax series.
On the other hand, Dunlops seem to be ranked down with Cheng Shin
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>From: kaybearjr RemoveThis @aol.comical
>Well, you will get some slippage out of BT-020's then
>BT-020 fronts have a reputation anyway for feeling vague when you first turn.
>I
>suspect that the overly tall and narrow BT-020 "out-tracks" too far when
>countersteered and riders pick up on that characteristic as vagueness...
Here's a pic of an 020 on the front of my ZRX. Doesn't feel too vague to me.
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>From: saddlebag RemoveThis @aol.com (Saddlebag)
>Here's a pic of an 020 on the front of my ZRX. Doesn't feel too vague to me.
>http://www.members.aol.com:/saddlebag/bt_020.jpg
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>Can't tell much from the pictures, except that it's cupping badly...
The lack of shiney stuff on the sides mean they were taken to some pretty
decent lean angles without leaving me any battle scars as might be the case if
they didn't actually grip well.
They did cup, but I rode em for 8k miles thru all types of weather and cupped
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