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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:27 am
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....at the dealership.

And how they missed the fact that my rear brake is down to the backing
plate grinding the rotor...

Oh man am I going to grill them....slow roast...


Stephan
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:27 am
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Stephan Rose wrote:
 > ...at the dealership.
 >
 > And how they missed the fact that my rear brake is down to the backing
 > plate grinding the rotor...
 >
 > Oh man am I going to grill them....slow roast...
 >
 >
 > Stephan
 > 2001 Yamaha YZF-R6

Dude it sounds like you've found a hell of a dealer. It's not hard to find
a shop full of idiots in the motorcycle business but it seems like you've
found their king. This is the main reason a lot of people do their own
work.


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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 4:15 pm
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On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 08:00:44 -0800, "Inlaw Biker"
<gmonsquared.nixme RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

 >Stephan Rose wrote:
  >> ...at the dealership.
  >>
  >> And how they missed the fact that my rear brake is down to the backing
  >> plate grinding the rotor...
  >>
  >> Oh man am I going to grill them....slow roast...
  >>
  >>
  >> Stephan
  >> 2001 Yamaha YZF-R6
 >
 >Dude it sounds like you've found a hell of a dealer. It's not hard to find
 >a shop full of idiots in the motorcycle business but it seems like you've
 >found their king. This is the main reason a lot of people do their own
 >work.

Well I do give them credit though for at least really trying to help
though. I went there today, told them about it. They checked the
paperwork and yep, it was not mentioned in the existing paperwork.

So they put new pads on no questions asked. Rotor actually survived
this and is doing just fine. Though if it does develop any problems,
they will replace it as well.

And yea, normally I'd do all my own work as well, but its tuff to beat
the words warranty and free =)


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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 5:03 pm
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 > ...at the dealership.
 >
 > And how they missed the fact that my rear brake is down to the backing
 > plate grinding the rotor...
 >
 > Oh man am I going to grill them....slow roast...
 >
 >
 > Stephan
 > 2001 Yamaha YZF-R6

you use the rear brake? Maybe they just figure that since you have two
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 5:03 pm
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On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:03:46 GMT, "Trey" <treydog90spam.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
wrote:

 >
  >> ...at the dealership.
  >>
  >> And how they missed the fact that my rear brake is down to the backing
  >> plate grinding the rotor...
  >>
  >> Oh man am I going to grill them....slow roast...
  >>
  >>
  >> Stephan
  >> 2001 Yamaha YZF-R6
 >
 >you use the rear brake? Maybe they just figure that since you have two
 >brakes, and the rear is worn out, you can just use the front instead. Wink
 >

Yep I use BOTH brakes to slow down, really an amazing concept isn't
it? =)

You're right though, when I started hearing that rotor grind in the
rear last week, I mostly used the front brake from then on and kept
rear brake usage to a minimum. Hence probably the reason why the rotor
survived.


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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:08 pm
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 > Yep I use BOTH brakes to slow down, really an amazing concept isn't
 > it? =)

Not amazing so much as a dead giveaway for newbies. Get with the program
Steve, this ain't some silly cage, you are in the performance category now,
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:03 pm
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On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:08:14 -0700, "Troy the Troll"
<f4boy DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:

  >> Yep I use BOTH brakes to slow down, really an amazing concept isn't
  >> it? =)
 >
 >Not amazing so much as a dead giveaway for newbies. Get with the program
 >Steve, this ain't some silly cage, you are in the performance category now,
 >learn what those near 13 inch disks can do to 600 pounds of rider and bike.
 >
 >

Troy....I was being sarcasting phrasing it like that...

I'm VERY well aware what that 13 inch disk is capable of doing!


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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:03 pm
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"Stephan Rose" <ker-spam-mos.TakeThisOut@kermos-no-spam-reversed.net> wrote in message
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 > On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:08:14 -0700, "Troy the Troll"
 > <f4boy.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:
 >
   >>> Yep I use BOTH brakes to slow down, really an amazing concept isn't
   >>> it? =)
  >>
  >>Not amazing so much as a dead giveaway for newbies. Get with the program
  >>Steve, this ain't some silly cage, you are in the performance category
  >>now,
  >>learn what those near 13 inch disks can do to 600 pounds of rider and
  >>bike.
  >>
  >>
 >
 > Troy....I was being sarcasting phrasing it like that...
 >
 > I'm VERY well aware what that 13 inch disk is capable of doing!

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:46 pm
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On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:19:57 -0700, "Troy the Troll"
<f4boy RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:

 >
 >"Stephan Rose" <ker-spam-mos RemoveThis @kermos-no-spam-reversed.net> wrote in message
 >news:1uhf219hqeovq7ff1nn1j6rt7d9kucqrb3@4ax.com...
  >> On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:08:14 -0700, "Troy the Troll"
  >> <f4boy RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
  >>
   >>>> Yep I use BOTH brakes to slow down, really an amazing concept isn't
   >>>> it? =)
   >>>
   >>>Not amazing so much as a dead giveaway for newbies. Get with the program
   >>>Steve, this ain't some silly cage, you are in the performance category
   >>>now,
   >>>learn what those near 13 inch disks can do to 600 pounds of rider and
   >>>bike.
   >>>
   >>>
  >>
  >> Troy....I was being sarcasting phrasing it like that...
  >>
  >> I'm VERY well aware what that 13 inch disk is capable of doing!
 >
 >Not if you are even THINKING about the rear brake on an R6.

Allright, I'll bite....now go elaborate on this...please =)


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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:46 pm
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   >>> Troy....I was being sarcasting phrasing it like that...
   >>>
   >>> I'm VERY well aware what that 13 inch disk is capable of doing!
  >>
  >>Not if you are even THINKING about the rear brake on an R6.
 >
 > Allright, I'll bite....now go elaborate on this...please =)

I wasn't trolling, I was just pointing out that it isn't a particular feat
to achieve 100% braking using only 2 fingers and the front brakes only, the
rear doesn't do much good while in the air is all.

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:04 am
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 >I wasn't trolling, I was just pointing out that it isn't a particular feat
 >to achieve 100% braking using only 2 fingers and the front brakes only, the
 >rear doesn't do much good while in the air is all.

This is true, I give you that. But generally, I do not have my rear in
the air when approaching a stop light in rush our traffic. Actually
the only tire I've lifted up so far is my front =) Only about 2 feet
though. I actually did it in purpose when taking one of my friends for
a ride on some back roads. I truly loved his response "Don't you EVER
do that again!" =)

Anyway, back to the topic...

When stuck in rush hour traffic, I even have a tendancy of favoring
the rear brake over the front brake, simply because I like resting my
foot on it while stopped to keep my brake lights flashing. Or in the
case of the highway off-ramp near my apartment, to keep from rolling
back onto the highway because its an incline. Much easier to use the
rear brake in those scenarios than the front brakes, least my right
hand really appreciates me for this. And I'm not going fast enough in
those cases where it really matters which brake I use.

I agree with you however that in high-performance scenarios, things
change especially considering the danger associated with locking up
the rear wheel. I probably would stay away from the rear brakes in
those cases. But, since I do not view public roads as my personal
track, I generally do not need to worry about this during city riding,
making that rear brake very convenient for me.

Also, while my skill level has considerably improved, it still has a
LOOOOOONG way to go before I'll even be close to be able to do what
you are describing.


 >
 >Some bikes do it better than others, and the R5 definitely qualifies.
 >

You mean R6 =)

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:05 am
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Stephan Rose <ker-spam-mos.TakeThisOut@kermos-no-spam-reversed.net> wrote in
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 > I actually did it in purpose when taking one of my friends for
 > a ride on some back roads. I truly loved his response "Don't you EVER
 > do that again!" =)


Enjoy endangering your friends and scaring the shit out of them, do you?

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:05 am
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"Stephan Rose" <ker-spam-mos RemoveThis @kermos-no-spam-reversed.net> wrote in message
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 >
  >>I wasn't trolling, I was just pointing out that it isn't a particular feat
  >>to achieve 100% braking using only 2 fingers and the front brakes only,
  >>the
  >>rear doesn't do much good while in the air is all.
 >
 > This is true, I give you that. But generally, I do not have my rear in
 > the air when approaching a stop light in rush our traffic.

I wasn't referring to "wee little braking", I was talking about deciding to
stop...RIGHT NOW. When puttering along in the street world, you can do
almost anything, anytime, anyway, and generally survive to tell the tale.
When it comes time to STOP....not just kinda drift to a halt a little
quicker than dragging your feet to slow yourself down.

Learning how to STOP on a motorcycle is one of those, "gee you better
learn...sooner rather than later" type skills. If you don't get the muscle
memory all working your way, the usual result of a situation which requires
you to STOP is the rear end weaving all over the place, you trying to figure
out what you should do, generally resulting in focusing on the rear brake
and releasing it, and then watching the accident scene recede beneath you as
you are high sided to the moon....having now given over all control over the
situation to Sir Isaac Newton.


 > When stuck in rush hour traffic, I even have a tendancy of favoring
 > the rear brake over the front brake, simply because I like resting my
 > foot on it while stopped to keep my brake lights flashing.

Pumping the front lever does the same thing, and getting the muscle memory
going your way really matters when riding a performance machine....we aren't
talking about cagers, their bad habits or incompetencies here. Cagers are
the enemy, cagers are bad, cagers are incompetent, hell, one of the real bad
things is they don't even usually KNOW they are incompetent. We are talking
about getting you to a higher skill level prior to getting your clock
cleaned....


 > I agree with you however that in high-performance scenarios, things
 > change especially considering the danger associated with locking up
 > the rear wheel. I probably would stay away from the rear brakes in
 > those cases. But, since I do not view public roads as my personal
 > track, I generally do not need to worry about this during city riding,
 > making that rear brake very convenient for me.
 >

On a bike, high performance and your reflexes and experience are all you
have going your way. Thats it. Anytime. All the time. You might not be
thinking "high performance" when idiot cager turns left in front of you, but
you are gonna need to get there, and pronto. So getting to a performance
level where you won't get yourself killed is important, and could save your
life sometime soon. Its not enough to putter around on the street figuring
you got it all figured out...nope....doesn't matter....when silly things
happen between objects in motion, the little object usually gets the raw end
of the deal.



 > Also, while my skill level has considerably improved, it still has a
 > LOOOOOONG way to go before I'll even be close to be able to do what
 > you are describing.

LONG way to go hopefully doesn't involve LONG periods of time......get thee
to schools and classes and whatever is available and learn a couple of
things real quick....foremost among them what the hell happens when you
decide you need to STOP and start squeezing levers and stomping levers and
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:27 am
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Andy Burnett wrote:
 > Stephan Rose <ker-spam-mos.DeleteThis@kermos-no-spam-reversed.net> wrote in
 > news:ppmf21pato8gsqclgu0sr0kp5n2psrrj54@4ax.com:
 >
 >
  >>I actually did it in purpose when taking one of my friends for
  >>a ride on some back roads. I truly loved his response "Don't you EVER
  >>do that again!" =)
 >
 >
 >
 > Enjoy endangering your friends and scaring the shit out of them, do you?

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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:32 am
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  >> I actually did it in purpose when taking one of my friends for
  >> a ride on some back roads. I truly loved his response "Don't you EVER
  >> do that again!" =)
 >
 >
 >Enjoy endangering your friends and scaring the shit out of them, do you?

Actually just him....took his wife for a ride afterwards, played
perfectly nice w/ her on the back.



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