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BryanUT wrote:

> Ok the news is not good.
>
>
> I just got off the phone with the dealer. Their diagnosis is low
> compression. By squirting oil into the cylinders the bike will
> start. He did not sound at all optimistic. Most likely stuck rings.
>
> $1500 - $2000 for a rebuild.
>
> This really sucks.

Bryan. Before they tear that engine apart, you better get some real numbers
on a compression test, both dry and with oil squirted in the cylinders, It
could also be poor valve seating and oil could mask it. Why don't you try
running some carbon tetrachloride into the intake track to loosen up the
carbon and blow it out the exhaust. It smokes like hell and will try to
stall the engine but works good. You just pour a fine stream in the intake
tract and use a 6 ounce can all up before you spend that kind of money. A
late model i4 should go 100,000 miles without problems and you said you've
been riding it hard and fast lately, so the carbon fouling must have
happened very recently.

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"BryanUT" <nestle12 DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Feb 15, 10:47 am, _Bob_Nixon_ <bi... DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote:
> BryanUT wrote:
> > Ok the news is not good.
>
> > I just got off the phone with the dealer. Their diagnosis is low
> > compression. By squirting oil into the cylinders the bike will
> > start. He did not sound at all optimistic. Most likely stuck rings.
>
> > $1500 - $2000 for a rebuild.
>
> > This really sucks.
>
> Bryan. Before they tear that engine apart,

There is no way I am sinking that kind of money into that bike.

> you better get some real numbers
> on a compression test, both dry and with oil squirted in the cylinders,

I'll ask for that when I go into the shop

> It
> could also be poor valve seating and oil could mask it.

Yep, a co-worker is a former bike mechanic and mentioned that also.

>Why don't you try
> running some carbon tetrachloride into the intake track to loosen up the
> carbon and blow it out the exhaust. It smokes like hell and will try to
> stall the engine but works good. You just pour a fine stream in the intake
> tract and use a 6 ounce can all up before you spend that kind of money.

Perhaps I'll try that.

> A
> late model i4 should go 100,000 miles without problems and you said you've

I was hoping to get another 3 years / 18k miles. Then sell it for
whatever and get a new bike.

> been riding it hard and fast lately, so the carbon fouling must have
> happened very recently.
>
> --
> Bob Nixon, RZ-350, SV-650, Chandler, AZ.

But the dealer does have a used 2007 SV650 for $5100, perhaps I'll see
if they'll take my bike in on trade. Then for a little more than
fixing my bike I can get a new ride.


I still just really like Ducatis, but economically the SV makes much
more sense.


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I've seen used F4i motors for under 500 bux on eBay.


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Andrew
00 Daytona
00 Speed Triple
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> I just got off the phone with the dealer. Their diagnosis is low
> compression. By squirting oil into the cylinders the bike will
> start. He did not sound at all optimistic. Most likely stuck
> rings.
>
> $1500 - $2000 for a rebuild.
>
> This really sucks.

This must be the part where someone says "winterizing the bike
includes squirting a little oil into the cylinder!" or some such. I
used to worry about this alot when I winterized bikes in an unheated
shed, for multiple months of winter temps.

Surely someone can do a minor re-ring job for less than $1500? Or are
re-ring jobs not as easy as I imagine?

This will REALLY throw a wrench into bike travel plans because once
the work is done, you still have to use it for awhile to make sure
they did the job right before trusting the thing for large cross
country journeys, no?
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"TroytheTroll" <f4_boy DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> This will REALLY throw a wrench into bike travel plans because once the
> work is done, you still have to use it for awhile to make sure they did
> the job right before trusting the thing for large cross country journeys,
> no?

Yes it does. It just adds to the pain. Even if I buy a new bike, what are
the odds I can get it broken in and get the first service?

But don't give up hope. There is always hope and determination. And
credit. I think my credit is still good?

I'm bringing the bike home tomorrow, and will take it from there.
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"BryanUT" <nestle12.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "TroytheTroll" <f4_boy.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>> This will REALLY throw a wrench into bike travel plans because once
>> the work is done, you still have to use it for awhile to make sure
>> they did the job right before trusting the thing for large cross
>> country journeys, no?
>
> Yes it does. It just adds to the pain. Even if I buy a new bike,
> what are the odds I can get it broken in and get the first service?

Slim. Its okay....now I won't have to arm wrestle you for who gets
Bobs spare bedroom!!

Anyway, you CAN get a new one broken in and ready for your late
spring/early summer trip....so don't worry about me. We can maybe make
a run in the early fall.


>
> But don't give up hope. There is always hope and determination.
> And credit. I think my credit is still good?
>
> I'm bringing the bike home tomorrow, and will take it from there.

Either way, unless its an easy fix, it makes April/May kinda tough. I
say, we all buy sv650's!!!! Mine isn't out and running yet, it needs
some work and I've been spending money on the couch right now...the ex
trackbike will have to wait.
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:56:53 +0100, BryanUT <nestle12 RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:

> Ok the news is not good.
>
>
> I just got off the phone with the dealer. Their diagnosis is low
> compression. By squirting oil into the cylinders the bike will
> start. He did not sound at all optimistic. Most likely stuck rings.
>
> $1500 - $2000 for a rebuild.
>
> This really sucks.

Before you allow them to dismantle your bike/engine make sure to have a
leakdown test performed.
If they have not got the right equipment, take it somewhere else.

If no-one in your area has the right equipment to do a measured leakdown
test, you could pressurize each cylinder at tdc and listen for leaks in
intake and exhaust. If it is the valves leaking you can get bye by
removing head only, saves you money.

I have never seen pistonrings being stuck to the point of not being able
to start the bike, valves on the other hand..

With burned valves or seats the bike would be very hard to start, run
normal when warmed up, and start normal before it cools down.
You can get it started with a strong battery and starting gas(Not sure of
the English term, spray can job, containing Ether).

If you where to remove the head you can easily diagnose which valves
leaking by pouring a small amount of gazoline or other volatile liquid
down the separate intake ports. You will easily be able to see seepage
into the combustion chamber.

Someone else mentioned running a chemical through the engine to remove
carbon, you can do the same with sodawater, seltzer or window washer
fluid. Just make shure to trickle small amounts at high revs, smokes
allot..

J.




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