Flipper-helmets? think again...

my girlfriend has a zeus one for 300 bucks..

I attempted to take the visor off to adjust it so it closes properly, the
visor pins also hold the chin bar on, the visor can not be adjusted and thus
will always have a bit of a leak in it, and i suspect it will snap the chin
bar off fairly easily...

although i found out it makes a stylish open face helmet..

Dam cheepi

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"glitch1" <glitch_oz.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:40ade471$0$31674$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
 > Happened last Sat, chinbar ripped out of the pivots on impact, buckled the
 > visor which snapped into small pieces (shear-stress).
 > Resulting injuries:
 > Broken nose, cuts around nose, chin, cheeks requiring stitches inside the
 > mouth as well.
 > Injuries resulting out of the failed chinbar are further cuts/ damage to
 > internal tissue of mouth, broken teeth all around the front.
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/glitch1/HJC/</font" target="_blank">http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/glitch1/HJC/</font</a>>
 >
 > Looks like at least this HJC shouldn't have gotten "the faibled AS
sticker"
 > then.
 > First time I saw those hinge-mechanisms close up, what a shocker, kids
toys
 > are made better.
 > Any thoughts I'd ever had in the past regarding buying one of those have
 > somehow....gone the same way as that helmet.
 >
 > cheers
 > pete
 >
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In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 21 May 2004 21:15:08 +1000
glitch1 <glitch_oz DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
 >
 > Looks like at least this HJC shouldn't have gotten "the faibled AS sticker"
 > then.

Got bad news for you...

The ABS standard doesn't test chinpieces at all. Only skull protection.

I don't think any standard, including Snell does.

So don't put on that fullface thinking that the certification means you
are safe....

Zebee<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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You're right Zebee. Nothing is tested in that area.

Dubious regardless of what you put on but the chances are higher of
surviving due to construction.

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"Zebee Johnstone" <zebee.TakeThisOut@zip.com.au> wrote in message
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 > In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 21 May 2004 21:15:08 +1000
 > glitch1 <glitch_oz.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
  > >
  > > Looks like at least this HJC shouldn't have gotten "the faibled AS
sticker"
  > > then.
 >
 > Got bad news for you...
 >
 > The ABS standard doesn't test chinpieces at all. Only skull protection.
 >
 > I don't think any standard, including Snell does.
 >
 > So don't put on that fullface thinking that the certification means you
 > are safe....
 >
 > Zebee<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Flipper-helmets? think again... 

Some research has been done on rigid vs flexible face bars covering open
face and full face helmets. Read about it here:

http://www.bikersrights.com/statistics/cooter/cooter.html
http://tinyurl.com/2zms7

For mine, I wont be ditching the full face any time soon regardless.

cam.

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"glitch1" wrote
 > Happened last Sat, chinbar ripped out of the pivots on impact, buckled the
 > visor which snapped into small pieces (shear-stress).
 > Resulting injuries:
 > Broken nose, cuts around nose, chin, cheeks requiring stitches inside the
 > mouth as well.
 > Injuries resulting out of the failed chinbar are further cuts/ damage to
 > internal tissue of mouth, broken teeth all around the front.
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/glitch1/HJC/</font" target="_blank">http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/glitch1/HJC/</font</a>>
 >
 > Looks like at least this HJC shouldn't have gotten "the faibled AS
sticker"
 > then.
 > First time I saw those hinge-mechanisms close up, what a shocker, kids
toys
 > are made better.
 > Any thoughts I'd ever had in the past regarding buying one of those have
 > somehow....gone the same way as that helmet.
 >

The first time I came off the Gixxer the chin bar on my old helmet copped a
nice wack when I hit the pedestrian island head first. Had some deep
scratching on the Left Cheek/visor it but it stayed in one piece.
Regardless of them being tested to standards or not, I think the fact that
the full faces are usually constructed in a single shell, or many layers
shell, the load of impact is distributed over a larger area, as opposed to
teh pivots that hold the flip up part.

TB
'03 CBR600F4i
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Not good to see but injuries compared to wearing Open Face?

Flip style is always a half way house between open face and full face.

Greg

"glitch1" <glitch_oz DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:40ade471$0$31674$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
 > Happened last Sat, chinbar ripped out of the pivots on impact, buckled the
 > visor which snapped into small pieces (shear-stress).
 > Resulting injuries:
 > Broken nose, cuts around nose, chin, cheeks requiring stitches inside the
 > mouth as well.
 > Injuries resulting out of the failed chinbar are further cuts/ damage to
 > internal tissue of mouth, broken teeth all around the front.
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/glitch1/HJC/</font" target="_blank">http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/glitch1/HJC/</font</a>>
 >
 > Looks like at least this HJC shouldn't have gotten "the faibled AS
sticker"
 > then.
 > First time I saw those hinge-mechanisms close up, what a shocker, kids
toys
 > are made better.
 > Any thoughts I'd ever had in the past regarding buying one of those have
 > somehow....gone the same way as that helmet.
 >
 > cheers
 > pete
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On Fri, 21 May 2004 11:33:35 GMT, Zebee Johnstone <zebee DeleteThis @zip.com.au> wrote:

 >In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 21 May 2004 21:15:08 +1000
 >glitch1 <glitch_oz DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
  >>
  >> Looks like at least this HJC shouldn't have gotten "the faibled AS sticker"
  >> then.
 >
 >Got bad news for you...
 >
 >The ABS standard doesn't test chinpieces at all. Only skull protection.
 >
 >I don't think any standard, including Snell does.
 >
 >So don't put on that fullface thinking that the certification means you
 >are safe....

Some say that full-face helmets can be even worse in their own way. Can't remember the precise processes
involved, but with a full-face helmet when you have an impact on the chin-piece, it transfers the forces
through to the back of the skull and causes major neck/brain problems, and is thought to be a major factor in
fatal accidents. So a chin-piece that shatters like that may actually be the best sort, in a similar way to
crumple zones in cars, by disipating some of the force of impact by self-destructing like that. It may result
in other injuries (as you described) but could also result in a decreased chance of something more serious. Of
course, this is just a half-baked theory based on half-remembered articles from some bike magazine I can't
remember, but there might still be something to it. Either way, cuts, bruises and broken teeth are still
better than being dead!

Damien
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In aus.motorcycles on Sat, 22 May 2004 00:13:53 +1000
Damien <me@somewhere> wrote:
 >
 > Some say that full-face helmets can be even worse in their own way. Can't remember the precise processes
 > involved, but with a full-face helmet when you have an impact on the chin-piece, it transfers the forces
 > through to the back of the skull and causes major neck/brain problems, and is thought to be a major factor in
 > fatal accidents. So a chin-piece that shatters like that may actually be the best sort, in a similar way to

Some years ago, there were some unexplained deaths in South Oz, and the
design of the helmet was found to be responsible.

If the chinbar hit the road at a certain angle, the chinstrap could
transmit force to the jaw thence to the spinal cord.

I believe that some helmets have the chinstrap angled differently to
deal with this.

Plus, it's still a fairly small number of crashes, you hve to hit at the
right angle.

RIding motorcycles is dangerous, you use the kit you personally feel
safe with. The more you focus on the horrible things that *might*
happen, the less fun you'll have.

Conversely, the more you are sure the kit you wear will protect you from
the consequences of your actions, the more stupid you'll be...

Zebee<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Damien wrote:


 >
 >
 > Some say that full-face helmets can be even worse in their own way. Can't remember the precise processes
 > involved, but with a full-face helmet when you have an impact on the chin-piece, it transfers the forces
 > through to the back of the skull and causes major neck/brain problems, and is thought to be a major factor in
 > fatal accidents. So a chin-piece that shatters like that may actually be the best sort, in a similar way to
 > crumple zones in cars, by disipating some of the force of impact by self-destructing like that. It may result
 > in other injuries (as you described) but could also result in a decreased chance of something more serious. Of
 > course, this is just a half-baked theory based on half-remembered articles from some bike magazine I can't
 > remember, but there might still be something to it. Either way, cuts, bruises and broken teeth are still
 > better than being dead!



Sounds good in theory but if that were the case why do motogp and all
other racing class riders wear full face helmets?




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I think you would risk it with a fullface over open face at 300kph.

I agree, the theory sounds ok, but dont believe it. Having hit the
ground at over 200 at oran, and walked away with a majorly fucked
helmet more than once.

 >Sounds good in theory but if that were the case why do motogp and all other racing class riders wear full face helmets?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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R1100Smee wrote:
 >
 > Damien wrote:
 >
  > >
  > >
  > > Some say that full-face helmets can be even worse in their own way. Can't
  > > remember the precise processes involved, but with a full-face helmet when
  > > you have an impact on the chin-piece, it transfers the forces through to
  > > the back of the skull and causes major neck/brain problems, and is
  > > thought to be a major factor in fatal accidents. So a chin-piece that
  > > shatters like that may actually be the best sort, in a similar way to
  > > crumple zones in cars, by disipating some of the force of impact by
  > > self-destructing like that. It may result in other injuries (as you
  > > described) but could also result in a decreased chance of something more
  > > serious. Of course, this is just a half-baked theory based on
  > > half-remembered articles from some bike magazine I can't remember, but
  > > there might still be something to it. Either way, cuts, bruises and
  > > broken teeth are still better than being dead!
 >
 > Sounds good in theory but if that were the case why do motogp and all
 > other racing class riders wear full face helmets?

Because it is stipulated in the FIM Technical Regulations...

"Helmets must be of the full face type and conform to one of the recognised
international standards: Europe: ECE 22-04 & ECE 22-05 'p' - Great Britain:
BS 6658 Grade A - USA: DOT Federal Standard n' 218/SNELL M95 & M2000"

On a race track a rider is unlikely to suffer the sorts of accidents which
might cause such injuries (i.e. hitting a solid object with helmet chinpiece).

Nev..
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 > Any thoughts I'd ever had in the past regarding buying one of those have
 > somehow....gone the same way as that helmet.
 >
my BMW one hit the ground at a great rate, the visor ripped off in one piece
and i got a face full of dirt but there was no sign of the chinbar breaking
<<< this is a VERY GOOD THING
there was quite a bit of scratching on the front of the helmet and chinbar,
similar to 'ol mateys in the pic
I would own another BMW one...and i was considering a HJC one...but maybe
not!!


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