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I have the conversation with my friends and I would totally support there
being the ama 96 db cap on off road noise. For tree huggers they are walking
through a forest and all they hear is the sound of thunder that to them they
equate with a dirt bike tearing up the forest and scarring animals. The
first thing I did to my bike was buy the FMF quiet core insert and spark
arrestor, made a HUGE difference over the Ti4 that it came with. It cost me
a whole $24 brand new.

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"Dean H." <moto.TakeThisOut@groove.calm> wrote in message
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 >
 > "whenindoubt" , shot out of a cannon,...
 >
  > >I think it's time we realize who the real tree huggers are. FMF, et al.
are
  > > the real cause of our loss of riding due to sound issues. IMO, their
greed
  > > to make an extra buck has jepordized our riding area's more than any
other
  > > thing combined. Combine those manufacturers with the california mx rags
  > > and
  > > the end result is less riding. Month after month, year after year all
they
  > > say is buy a new bike, take off the stock silencer and put on one of
their
  > > noise makers for another 1/2 peak horsepower at WFO. Please! What
happened
  > > to using you right wrist and twisting it? FMF 'Q', woopee! Pro Circuit
  > > silencer (doesn't). Why don't you $550 dollar a pop, welded piece of
  > > aluminum tubing manufacturers talk to a sound expert, like "BOSE" and
ask
  > > them how to engineer something that really works.
  > >
  > >
  > > p.s. Thanks in advance for all the riding area's you've helped to take
  > > away
  > > from me so far. I hope you got rich doing it!
 >
 > A+
 >
 > Of course, FMF is stock on my GG, but your point is still right on the
 > money.
 > I think Bose is all tied up in active suspension using linear
 > electromagnetic motors right now.
 >
 > -nuts
 >
 >


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Wow. A rare note of coherence on the subject.
Well said.
Strange thing is that when I put an extra silencer tip on my Stroker muffler
and repacked it, the bike ran better and had more snap down low. It was
also a damn site "quieter".
Anyhoo, I can remember reading those pipe/muff shootouts and seeing almost
nothing on the dyno tests worth the extra noise. Then you would read all of
this subjective "rider impressions" stuff where the riders were saying how
much more low, mid, or high end the bike had. uh huh. Where exactly was
the data to back that impression up? Surely not on the dyno. I realize
that dynos don't tell the whole story, but methinks some of those rag
testers know where their bread is buttered.

Time to go ride my CR500 and then it's off to accordion practice.

"whenindoubt" <dontemailme RemoveThis @netzero.net> wrote in message
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 > I think it's time we realize who the real tree huggers are. FMF, et al.
are
 > the real cause of our loss of riding due to sound issues. IMO, their greed
 > to make an extra buck has jepordized our riding area's more than any other
 > thing combined. Combine those manufacturers with the california mx rags
and
 > the end result is less riding. Month after month, year after year all they
 > say is buy a new bike, take off the stock silencer and put on one of their
 > noise makers for another 1/2 peak horsepower at WFO. Please! What happened
 > to using you right wrist and twisting it? FMF 'Q', woopee! Pro Circuit
 > silencer (doesn't). Why don't you $550 dollar a pop, welded piece of
 > aluminum tubing manufacturers talk to a sound expert, like "BOSE" and ask
 > them how to engineer something that really works.
 >
 >
 > p.s. Thanks in advance for all the riding area's you've helped to take
away
 > from me so far. I hope you got rich doing it!
 >
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you know what they say about BOSE. if it has no highs and no lows must be BOSE.


have you seen the new FMF titanium Q muffler? 550 might be cheap?


Mike Simmons
04' KTM 525 MXC
AMA/ Dist.36
http://www.ktm-parts.com
D-H Cycles KTM/Suzuki/ Modesto
Motowrx, Livermore CA
Motowerx, livermore Ca
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This is a 4-stroke phenom. And people thought 4-s would help us ? Nope.
It's killing our sport all this low-frequency noise.
 >> Stay informed about: FU FMF, PRO Circut, Big Gun etc! 

This is a 4-stroke phenom. And people thought 4-s would help us ? Nope.
It's killing our sport all this low-frequency noise.
 >> Stay informed about: FU FMF, PRO Circut, Big Gun etc! 

soon eclectic flying cars will be all we will be able to drive.
get a muffler & stuff it before it's too late
john
if they can make a street bike whisper quiet......

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 > This is a 4-stroke phenom. And people thought 4-s would help us ? Nope.
 > It's killing our sport all this low-frequency noise.
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Wudsracer wrote:

 > The answer is two stroke engines.
 >
 > They are hard to hear just a hundred yards away in the woods.
 >
 > Different frequency noise than the 4-strokes.
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Hi!

On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 02:45:11 GMT, "whenindoubt"
<dontemailme.RemoveThis@netzero.net> wrote :
 >I think it's time we realize who the real tree huggers are. FMF, et al. are
 >the real cause of our loss of riding due to sound issues.

Actually, the stock exhaust of my 2001 YZ426F is loud. If you whack the
throttle hard, it gets annoyingly *LOUD*. No way running such a bike in
the woods and no comparison to the SXC of my '98 KTM 620 SC
(http://www.rrr.de/~agento/technical/ktm_sxc.htm), which will still not
comply with German noise emission standards.

Even some MX tracks operators restrict noise emission nowadays. With the
YZ, i.e., I lost two more chances/locations to practise. And that with a
totally stock bike. I have been told to use some "silent core" inside
the exhaust tip. Then to rejet (because "it might be running hot") and
do this and that... That sucks.

Is it really impossible to build a (rather) quiet bike that doesn't
weigh a ton and still have a decent amount of hp (I don't mind losing
5-10%)? The '02 YZ of my riding buddy is even louder and this is where
some CRFs with aftermarket silencers come into play. At some point,
riding my KTM in an Enduro, I catch myself putting my hand onto the
engine to feel the vibrations because I can't hear the engine anymore.
Drowned in the audio-smog of all those kick@ss big-noise bikes.

But it can get worse. Think about running your KTM 620 against some 450s
on an indoor kart-/Supermoto-track. This is when hell breaks loose.

Hmmm...

Volker
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 > On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 02:45:11 GMT, "whenindoubt"
<dontemailme.RemoveThis@netzero.net> wrote :
 >I think it's time we realize who the real tree huggers are. FMF, et al. are
 >the real cause of our loss of riding due to sound issues.

Can you point to one area that has been closed because of sound? My guess
is no. The facts are noise isn't closing areas!!! Get your dander up, then
prove me wrong, give some proof. Not just " I heard" but real proof.

For the record there are only 2 areas in the country that have been
closed to sound that I can identify. One is a buffer zone in OR. in a dune
area and the DB limit there was all ready 93 DB. The other is an MX track
in Cali that was all ready banning some bikes.

Want to know whats really closing areas? Endangerd species act, claims
of enviro damage, proposed wilderness areas, urban encrochment, and insurnce
concerns. I'm willing to back this up with proof of the actual closures.

Go on demonizing noise as the reason and we will continue to lose areas
to the real threats. Chose your battles wisely!

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Hi!

  >> On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 02:45:11 GMT, "whenindoubt"
 > <dontemailme.RemoveThis@netzero.net> wrote :
  >>I think it's time we realize who the real tree huggers are. FMF, et al. are
  >>the real cause of our loss of riding due to sound issues.

On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 16:58:42 GMT, "Rex McKinney"
<endurodognospam.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote :
 >Can you point to one area that has been closed because of sound?

Read what I wrote: "Even some MX tracks operators restrict noise
emission nowadays.". And bear in mind that I live/ride in Germany. Here
comes the (incomplete) list:

* Griesbecker Zell (http://195.180.19.53/home/andy/strecke.asp?ID=134):
Members only, not more than 10 bikes at once due to residents'
complaints.
* Gablingen (http://195.180.19.53/home/andy/strecke.asp?ID=132): Noise
emission restriction to 94db(A), no day licenses.
* Rohrbach (Pfaffenhofen): Members only due to residents' complaints.
* Putzmuehle (http://195.180.19.53/home/andy/strecke.asp?ID=207):
"Silent" machines only, discussions about restricting emission noise.

 >The facts are noise isn't closing areas!!! Get your dander up, then
 >prove me wrong, give some proof. Not just " I heard" but real proof.

Above is your proof. Been to all of the tracks mentioned above. Germany
*IS* different.

 >Want to know whats really closing areas? Endangerd species act, claims
 >of enviro damage, proposed wilderness areas, urban encrochment, and insurnce
 >concerns.

Don't tell me about all the hassle one has to go through to open (and
keep open) an official track. Been there, done that. In Germany, MX just
has too little of a lobby. You can build a multimillion-dollar soccer
stadium close to Munich in what was once called "Froettmaninger Heide"
(http://www.rrr.de/~agento/ckc/ckc.htm,
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.rrr.de/~agento/duc_pw/duc_pw.htm" target="_blank">http://www.rrr.de/~agento/duc_pw/duc_pw.htm</a>) but you cannot ride your
bike there, because of endangered species and enviro-blah-blah. Well,
Bundeswehr-tanks doen't seem to hurt the environment at all. At least
this must be the case because they are allowed to drive along there.

 >Go on demonizing noise as the reason and we will continue to lose areas
 >to the real threats. Chose your battles wisely!

Doesn't have to do with "demonizing". People in Germany are so
thin-skinned (no wonder if you take into account the density of
population) that even an uncatalyzed fart will upset them. Takes just 10
minutes of test-riding my (non street legal) YZ and the police will
arrive. Neighbours, you know? JFYI: I'm *NOT* living in the city
(=Munich) but in a more rural area, actually in a village with - say -
300 people.

Now what?

Volker
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  >>I think it's time we realize who the real tree huggers are. FMF, et al.
  >>are
  >>the real cause of our loss of riding due to sound issues.
 >
 > Can you point to one area that has been closed because of sound? My
 > guess is no. The facts are noise isn't closing areas!!! Get your dander
 > up, then prove me wrong, give some proof. Not just " I heard" but real
 > proof.
 >
 > For the record there are only 2 areas in the country that have been
 > closed to sound that I can identify. One is a buffer zone in OR. in a
 > dune area and the DB limit there was all ready 93 DB. The other is an MX
 > track in Cali that was all ready banning some bikes.
 >
 > Want to know whats really closing areas? Endangerd species act, claims
 > of enviro damage, proposed wilderness areas, urban encrochment, and
 > insurnce concerns. I'm willing to back this up with proof of the actual
 > closures.
 >
 > Go on demonizing noise as the reason and we will continue to lose areas
 > to the real threats. Chose your battles wisely!
 >
 > Rex McKinney

Rex,

This is similar to another discussion we had here, which we should not
revisit. Things are different here in crowded New England. Our "riding
areas" are not really riding areas such as it sounds like you have out your
way. Most of it is what I lovingly call "grey market riding" or as Mike
calls it "Suburban Trailriding".

We ride where we can get away with it without pissing people off, not in
government aproved riding areas that you can search on the web. It's all
about not pissing off the homeowners around the access points and perimeter
trails. For these homeowners, noise is a lot more of a concern than is
erosion or the demise of the amber spotted newt.

Every place ain't Texas.

HTH,
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 >On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 02:45:11 GMT, "whenindoubt" <dontemailme RemoveThis @netzero.net> wrote:

 >I think it's time we realize who the real tree huggers are. FMF, et al. are
 >the real cause of our loss of riding due to sound issues. IMO, their greed
 >to make an extra buck has jepordized our riding area's more than any other
 >thing combined. Combine those manufacturers with the california mx rags and
 >the end result is less riding. Month after month, year after year all they
 >say is buy a new bike, take off the stock silencer and put on one of their
 >noise makers for another 1/2 peak horsepower at WFO. Please! What happened
 >to using you right wrist and twisting it? FMF 'Q', woopee! Pro Circuit
 >silencer (doesn't). Why don't you $550 dollar a pop, welded piece of
 >aluminum tubing manufacturers talk to a sound expert, like "BOSE" and ask
 >them how to engineer something that really works.
 >
 >
 >p.s. Thanks in advance for all the riding area's you've helped to take away
 >from me so far. I hope you got rich doing it!
 >


The answer is two stroke engines.

They are hard to hear just a hundred yards away in the woods.

Different frequency noise than the 4-strokes.

..
Jim Cook
'04 Gas Gas EC300 Woods Pilot
Team LAGNAF
SMACKOVER RACING
BJEC/SERA/TSCEC/AHSCS
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"Wudsracer" :

 >
 > The answer is two stroke engines.
 >

Right on Brother!

Keep spreading the TRUTH!

Forget the whales, save the two-stroke!

-dean
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