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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:29 pm
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On Feb 10, 8:01�pm, bob prohaska's usenet account <b... DeleteThis @www.zefox.net>
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> Please forgive my mirth, but I work at UC Davis and the notion of cows
> with afterburners is absolutely hilarious.
>
> Somehow, though, I rather doubt the cows would like it Cool

Fistulate 'em, if they can't take a joke...

http://daviswiki.org/Fistulated_Cow

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:49 pm
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.. wrote:
> On Feb 10, 8:01�pm, bob prohaska's usenet account <b... RemoveThis @www.zefox.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Please forgive my mirth, but I work at UC Davis and the notion of cows
>>with afterburners is absolutely hilarious.
>>
>>Somehow, though, I rather doubt the cows would like it Cool
>
>
> Fistulate 'em, if they can't take a joke...
>
> http://daviswiki.org/Fistulated_Cow
>
>

Brings back memories. Everything was in place elsewhere: [operation,
cannulas, that kind of stuff] but I think our group help set up the
Davis large animal version back in the 80s. The real work was done by
??? Dr. Desmond Baggat ??? with some grad students and we threw money at
them so we could test our systems in situ.

Those cows were the sweetest things! I was used to beef cattle so I
showed up with cattle prod and a 'tude. Took a few times for me to get
to know them but the cows turned out to be like 2,000 lb puppy dogs.

Rick

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:01 am
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.. <RhiannonX RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Perhaps cows can be fitted with large rubber bags to recycle volatile
> gasses. Or maybe engineers can figure out how to fit each cow with an
> afterburner device to consume the fumes.
>

Please forgive my mirth, but I work at UC Davis and the notion of cows
with afterburners is absolutely hilarious.

Somehow, though, I rather doubt the cows would like it Cool

Thank you!

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(Msg. 19) Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:43 am
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"." <RhiannonX DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> link:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/

Try this one:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7232357.stm



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On Feb 10, 11:24�pm, totallydeadmail... RemoveThis @yahoo.co.uk (The Older
Gentleman) wrote:

> They've done that. Your last pronouncement on the subject involved
> telling the world that Europe used diesels because it didn't have
> earthquakes. Do pull your head up from wherever you've stuffed it.

You need to look at the Big Picture instead of from your existential
pleasure seeking weltanschuung.

Geological landforms like tectonic plates and mountain ranges and
ocean currents and prevailing wind and rain patterns lock air
pollution into the southern half of the San Joaquin valley, which is a
huge agricultural area 800 miles long and 200 miles wide.

Farmers can only grow crops in about half that area, it's too dry on
the west side of the valley for anything except cotton. Even the
Salinas valley has its microclimates where some crops will grow and
others won't and the Santa Lucia mountains block the rain from falling
in the valley and the Salinas river sinks into the sand in futility.

Farmers farm and use diesel farm machinery and truckers truck and
diesel mechanics repair diesel trucks and diesel farm machinery and
any land along Highway 99 that doesn't have crops or cows or houses on
it looks like a huge junk yard with rows of rusting machinery waiting
to be fixed.

Or it looks like an endless RV, boat, and manufactured home sales
yard...

It will take decades to see a change in air quality from use of ultra
low sulphur diesel fuel, if it isn't already too late.

The San Joaquin valley has changed from having a navigable 100 square
mile lake in the middle to having a huge desert in the middle. This
has happened in only 150 years as forests were cleared and Sierra
creeks diverted into farmers' irrigation ditches.

We have had two or three devastating dust bowl droughts here since the
1880's. John Steinbeck, who wrote extensively about the problems of
farmers in California, discussed the deadly droughts in "To a God
Unknown". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_a_God_Unknown

The San Joaquin river has gone dry and California wants to restore it
so salmon can swim from the San Francisco bya to Kings county.

The Kern river flows down off Mount Whitney, and is absorbed into
desert sands in a huge selenium-polluted basin in Kern county. The
small oil town of Taft looks like it belongs in southern New Mexico.

The Kaweah river and Kings river drain down out of Sequoia and Kings
Canyon, and the water disappears into the ground long before it ever
reaches the middle of the valley.

The 400 square mile oak and sycamore forest in the Kaweah delta has
disappeared, there are only a few isolated groves of valley oaks left.

A few yuppies buying high performance diesel sedans and sportscars are
not going to have a huge immediate effect upon California air quality.

The diesel truck fleet is not expected to be fully replaced until
2030, and air pollution standards for diesel cars have been only
slightly relaxed for 2007 through 2009 models to make an opening for
more affordable small Japanese diesel sedans.

With all the movie stars buying hybrid electric cars, it's going to
take some major celebrities buying clean diesel sedans and bragging
that they are non-polluting to get *other* trendy celebrities to buy
clean diesel sedans, and if the clean diesel sedans don't cost $90K
trendy celebrities won't feel the need to keep up with each other,
they will buy something that proves they are rich.

As I said above, any major change in air quality is going to happen
because of ultra low sulfur diesel compliant heavy trucks, farm
machinery, railroad locomotives, electric power generating diesels and
marine engines, it won't happen because a few yuppies are buying
prestigious diesel sedans.
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:24 am
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LJ <laremoDelete.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Due in part, to our more stringent
> pollution standards,

A dmodern diesel engine, like a European diesel, is less poluting than a
petrol engine. Less NOX, less CO2 and (with a particulate trap fitted)
less particulates too.

> there hasn't been a wide selection of diesel
> automobiles. Couple that with the lack of government subsidies that exist
> in the European countries where diesels are the most popular and it isn't
> economical to buy diesels.

Diesel cars and diesel fuel are *not* subsidised in Europe. Where did
you get this nonsense from? It *is* slightly cheaper in some countries
than petrol, and it is a fair bit cheaper in a few, but it is definitely
not subsidised. It presently costs £1.10/litre in the UK, for example,
and about euro1.20/litre in France and Germany.

> You can't save enough on fuel that costs 20%
> more than petrol to recoup the $2500 premium for the engine.

Depends how pricey the fuel is to begin with. At our rates, you can.
Maybe not in the US. And there is no premium for diesel engines in
Europe, not any more, because we make so many of them. The economies of
scale are there.

> If someone
> would offer a package that made economical sense, most of the real or
> perceived "soft" objections would disappear.

See above.


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(Msg. 22) Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:24 am
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.. <RhiannonX.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> Manufacturers of diesel passenger cars will have to prove to ordinary
> middle class consumers that their offerings are not the pokey, smokey
> objects of yesteryear, collected and driven only by kooks.

They've done that. Your last pronouncement on the subject involved
telling the world that Europe used diesels because it didn't have
earthquakes. Do pull your head up from wherever you've stuffed it.


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(Msg. 23) Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:12 am
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On 11 Feb, 14:41, "." <Rhiann....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 10, 11:24�pm, totallydeadmail....DeleteThis@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
>
> Gentleman) wrote:
> > They've done that. Your last pronouncement on the subject involved
> > telling the world that Europe used diesels because it didn't have
> > earthquakes. Do pull your head up from wherever you've stuffed it.
>
> You need to look at the Big Picture instead of from your existential
> pleasure seeking weltanschuung.

weltanschauung
>
> Geological landforms like tectonic plates and mountain ranges and
> ocean currents and prevailing wind and rain patterns lock air
> pollution into the southern half of the San Joaquin valley, which is a
> huge agricultural area 800 miles long and 200 miles wide.
>
<snip>

What has that to do with Europe "not having earthquakes"?

>
> It will take decades to see a change in air quality from use of ultra
> low sulphur diesel fuel, if it isn't already too late.
>
Nonsense. It took a lot less than that in Europe. ULSD was introduced
here at the turn of the century. The change has been immense.


<snip a load of stuff that has nothing to do with diesel>
>
> The diesel truck fleet is not expected to be fully replaced until
> 2030

So legislate *now* for changes in the next decade. That's what we did.
The old (10-years plus) trucks fall off the balance sheet anyway. No
serious haulier keeps antiques like that running now - they're
uneconomic. Pikey skip haulers do, but they're a fraction of the truck
parc.


, and air pollution standards for diesel cars have been only
> slightly relaxed for 2007 through 2009 models to make an opening for
> more affordable small Japanese diesel sedans.

You don't need to 'relax' standards for diesel engines if they're
properly equipped. Like I said, they can be the cleanest engines
around. You just can't accept this, can you?
>
> With all the movie stars buying hybrid electric cars, it's going to
> take some major celebrities buying clean diesel sedans and bragging
> that they are non-polluting to get *other* trendy celebrities to buy
> clean diesel sedans, and if the clean diesel sedans don't cost $90K
> trendy celebrities won't feel the need to keep up with each other,
> they will buy something that proves they are rich.

Millions of Americans didn't buy Hondas because they were luxurious.
They bought them because they were well built and reliable. Millions
of Europeans buy diesels because they're economical, low polluting,
cheap to service, and last a very, *very* long time.

>
> As I said above, any major change in air quality is going to happen
> because of ultra low sulfur diesel compliant heavy trucks, farm
> machinery, railroad locomotives, electric power generating diesels and
> marine engines, it won't happen because a few yuppies are buying
> prestigious diesel sedans.

See above. It would help if you knew something about modern diesels,
but you evidently don't.
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:05 am
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:11:19 -0800, Beryl <flyingterrapin RemoveThis @chillybits.org> wrote:

>I'll pay more attention to the Nobel Prize Winner than some guy in a
>motorcycle newsgroup.

That's what Al's counting on. Have you ever stopped to wonder what his
qualifications are? I am at least as qualified as he is to debate global
warming.

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(Msg. 25) Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:20 pm
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Jack Hunt wrote:

> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:11:19 -0800, Beryl <flyingterrapin.TakeThisOut@chillybits.org> wrote:
>
>
>>I'll pay more attention to the Nobel Prize Winner than some guy in a
>>motorcycle newsgroup.
>
>
> That's what Al's counting on. Have you ever stopped to wonder what his
> qualifications are?

Hard to top Nobel Prize Winner.

> I am at least as qualified as he is to debate global
> warming.

His qualifications span from his interest in global warming back in his
college years to, now, Nobel Prize Winner.

Even if he may be totally wrong about it all it's, at best, a big
unknown at this time. So how long dare we wait to feel sure about what's
really going on?

The oceans are a big carbon buffer. What suddenly happens when a solvent
reaches the saturation point?
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:53 pm
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On Feb 11, 1:08 pm, CB... RemoveThis @webtv.net wrote:
> I loved my 82 diesel Nissan King Cab pick up.Don't care if it went fast
> got me every where I wanted to go and gave me 44 in the city and 50 on
> the highway.(mobil1 in engine,redline gear oil and tranny oil,and K&N
> air filter).Lost it in the divorce,big mistake to give it to her.

My all time favorite was my 1980 International Scout
with Nissan turbo-diesel. Destroyed by an incredible
piece of mechanic's stupidity at 250,000 miles or I'd
probably be driving it still. You got way better mileage
than I did though. Don't know if this was the same
engine or not. The one I had was also used in industrial
loaders.

Take a look at anybody who's at all serious about
horses and they're just about guaranteed to have a
diesel rig for hauling.

If'n I was one of them there self righteous yuppies that
seem to bother some folks so much, I'd probably be running
a diesel hybrid with aux. CNG and/or biodiesel fuel. Not
that I really give a sh*t about the moral high ground,
but I definitely treasure the chance to take an irratating
air of moral superiorty.
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I loved my 82 diesel Nissan King Cab pick up.Don't care if it went fast
got me every where I wanted to go and gave me 44 in the city and 50 on
the highway.(mobil1 in engine,redline gear oil and tranny oil,and K&N
air filter).Lost it in the divorce,big mistake to give it to her.

MY MY HEY HEY
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On Feb 11, 12:20�pm, Beryl <flyingterra....RemoveThis@chillybits.org> wrote:

> The oceans are a big carbon buffer. What suddenly happens when a solvent
> reaches the saturation point?

Coral reefs expel their algae and die?
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On Feb 11, 2:50�pm, totallydeadmail... RemoveThis @yahoo.co.uk (The Older
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> I hate to say it, but the US dependence on dirt-cheap fuel has *got* to
> change, because you are out of step with the rest of the world. And the
> rest of the world is not going to slash its taxes on fuel. You are going
> to have to raise yours.

Craziest thing you've ever said.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_tax#United_States_of_America

California (25 July 2007)

State gas excise tax 18.0 cents per gallon

Other state taxes (general sales tax, average county/local sales tax,
environmental fees, wholesale taxes) 26.4 cents per gallon (7.25% +
1.2)

State tax total 44.4 cents per gallon

State + federal tax total 62.8 cents per gallon
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"The Older Gentleman" <totallydeadmailbox DeleteThis @yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> LJ <laremoDelete DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Due in part, to our more stringent
>> pollution standards,
>
> A dmodern diesel engine, like a European diesel, is less poluting than a
> petrol engine. Less NOX, less CO2 and (with a particulate trap fitted)
> less particulates too.
>
>> there hasn't been a wide selection of diesel
>> automobiles. Couple that with the lack of government subsidies that
>> exist
>> in the European countries where diesels are the most popular and it isn't
>> economical to buy diesels.
>
> Diesel cars and diesel fuel are *not* subsidised in Europe. Where did
> you get this nonsense from? It *is* slightly cheaper in some countries
> than petrol, and it is a fair bit cheaper in a few, but it is definitely
> not subsidised. It presently costs £1.10/litre in the UK, for example,
> and about euro1.20/litre in France and Germany.

Which equates to $8.1 a US gallon Just wait till you are paying that for
fuel and I'll bet diesels suddenly become much more popular
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