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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:09 pm
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On Feb 10, 11:07�am, totallydeadmail....RemoveThis@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
Gentleman) wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7232357.stm
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> Quite interesting. Especially for Krusty, I have no doubt.
Manufacturers of diesel passenger cars will have to prove to ordinary
middle class consumers that their offerings are not the pokey, smokey
objects of yesteryear, collected and driven only by kooks.
I personally know such a kook. He has a collection of old white
Mercedes Benzes with hoods painted flat black. He has owned several
diesel VW's as well.
They were all white, with black hoods, too.
The mandatory use of ultra low sulfur diesel (15 ppm instead of 500
ppm) by large diesel trucks may result in me being able to actually
see the Sierra Nevada again before I die.
In the 1890's, John Muir could look across the San Joaquin valley from
Pacheco pass and see the Sierra Nevada range gleaming in the sun, 150
miles away.
Today's visibility is 2.5 miles. I cannot see the front range of the
Sierra and it's only 10 miles away.
But, it isn't just the fault of polluting diesel engines.
The EPA will also have to figure out what to do with all the methane
coming out of dairy cattle's digestive tracts.
We have more dairy cattle in this county than in all of Wisconsin or
Switzerland.
We make more cheese than any country in the world, but our cows also
cut the cheese frequently, turning the sky reddish brown.
Cattle generate almost 7 pounds of volatile material, per animal, per
day.
Driving past the dairy farms at night, my eyes sting from all the
ammonia in the air.
Perhaps cows can be fitted with large rubber bags to recycle volatile
gasses. Or maybe engineers can figure out how to fit each cow with an
afterburner device to consume the fumes.
Biofuel engineers will have to figure out some way for cows to poop
ultra low sulfur cowpies or start a program of collecting cow pies
prior to methane emission.
The cow pies can be burned and electrical power can be generated.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:09 pm
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:57 pm
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:13:13 -0800 (PST), "." <RhiannonX.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>Cattle generate almost 7 pounds of volatile material, per animal, per
>day.
Back when there were billions of buffalo roaming North America, visibility must
have been limited to an arm's length.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:57 pm
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Jack Hunt wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:13:13 -0800 (PST), "." <RhiannonX DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
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>>Cattle generate almost 7 pounds of volatile material, per animal, per
>>day.
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> Back when there were billions of buffalo roaming North America, visibility must
> have been limited to an arm's length.
They were widely dispersed across plains, not densely packed in a
valley. And San Joaquin's cows probably don't eat much natural grass,
because there isn't any. Aside from the irrigated crop rows, that place
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:28 pm
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:57:18 -0500, Jack Hunt <jhunt1x RemoveThis @tds.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:13:13 -0800 (PST), "." <RhiannonX RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
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>>Cattle generate almost 7 pounds of volatile material, per animal, per
>>day.
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>Back when there were billions of buffalo roaming North America, visibility must
>have been limited to an arm's length.
You to slow way down on the inter-state, that's for sure ....
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:52 pm
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On Feb 10, 4:37�pm, Beryl <flyingterra... DeleteThis @chillybits.org> wrote:
> They were widely dispersed across plains, not densely packed in a
> valley. And San Joaquin's cows probably don't eat much natural grass,
> because there isn't any. Aside from the irrigated crop rows, that place
> is parched.
Technically, this part of the San Joaquin valley is a desert, with
less than 10 inches of rain a year.
You get the impression from the California dairy council's commercials
that the cows live in heavenly green pastures, but the truth is that
they live under cow sheds to avoid dying in the 110 degree summer
heat.
Sometimes there are showers running to cool them off, but I remember
driving by a neighboring dairy and wondering when the owner was going
to haul away the dead calves. >> Stay informed about: Euro diesel reaches the US |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:08 pm
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:08 pm
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:08 pm
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I've got a decent browser....
"The Older Gentleman" <totallydeadmailbox.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Anonymous <com.TakeThisOut@com.com> wrote:
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>> This is as far as I can get with your link:
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/
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> Get a decent browser, then.
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> chateau dot murray at idnet dot com >> Stay informed about: Euro diesel reaches the US |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:08 pm
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"The Older Gentleman" <totallydeadmailbox.DeleteThis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Anonymous <com.DeleteThis@com.com> wrote:
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>> This is as far as I can get with your link:
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/
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> Get a decent browser, then.
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> BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....
> chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
I had issues with the link initially as well. I think the press has the
wrong idea about the American consumer. Due in part, to our more stringent
pollution standards, there hasn't been a wide selection of diesel
automobiles. Couple that with the lack of government subsidies that exist
in the European countries where diesels are the most popular and it isn't
economical to buy diesels. You can't save enough on fuel that costs 20%
more than petrol to recoup the $2500 premium for the engine. If someone
would offer a package that made economical sense, most of the real or
perceived "soft" objections would disappear. >> Stay informed about: Euro diesel reaches the US |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:40 pm
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.. wrote:
> On Feb 10, 4:37�pm, Beryl <flyingterra... DeleteThis @chillybits.org> wrote:
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>>They were widely dispersed across plains, not densely packed in a
>>valley. And San Joaquin's cows probably don't eat much natural grass,
>>because there isn't any. Aside from the irrigated crop rows, that place
>>is parched.
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> Technically, this part of the San Joaquin valley is a desert, with
> less than 10 inches of rain a year.
>
> You get the impression from the California dairy council's commercials
> that the cows live in heavenly green pastures, but the truth is that
> they live under cow sheds to avoid dying in the 110 degree summer
> heat.
>
> Sometimes there are showers running to cool them off, but I remember
> driving by a neighboring dairy and wondering when the owner was going
> to haul away the dead calves.
I believe it was you who once described the valley as "wonderfully warm"
or something like that. Blistering heat is what I recall, and miles of
baking cattle, shoulder-to-shoulder, stretching to the horizon. The
stench was overwhelming. What a hellhole place. But "great cheese comes
from happy cows" LOL! >> Stay informed about: Euro diesel reaches the US |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:42 pm
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:37:21 -0800, Beryl <flyingterrapin DeleteThis @chillybits.org> wrote:
>They were widely dispersed across plains, not densely packed in a
>valley.
You know this for a fact, do you?
The most buffalo I ever saw in one place was in Yellowstone, densely packed in a
canyon. The methane wasn't as thick there as the BS is around Al Gore's podium.
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Jack Hunt wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:37:21 -0800, Beryl <flyingterrapin.DeleteThis@chillybits.org> wrote:
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>>They were widely dispersed across plains, not densely packed in a
>>valley.
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> You know this for a fact, do you?
Yeah! Had to be, grasses would never sustain populations like you see
with the cattle in the San Joaquin Valley. I'm sure the Indians didn't
truck in grain for them.
And I don't think there were "billions" of them. This site...
http://www.alaskanalpinetreks.com/ImageGallery/Wildlife_3/BisonTheEye.html
says "From a population possibly numbering 100 million animals, they
were decimated through extensive hunting, until the late 1800's when
only 800 animals remained in the US."
> The most buffalo I ever saw in one place was in Yellowstone, densely packed in a
> canyon.
But as you said, they roamed. Rather, they used to.
> The methane wasn't as thick there as the BS is around Al Gore's podium.
I'll pay more attention to the Nobel Prize Winner than some guy in a
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:17 pm
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On Feb 10, 7:40�pm, Beryl <flyingterra... DeleteThis @chillybits.org> wrote:
> I believe it was you who once described the valley as "wonderfully warm"
> or something like that.
Well, it's a great place for irrigated agriculture. Texans who passed
through the area on the way to the gold fields in 1849 noticed how
good the soil was and returned to farm it. With good soil and Sierra
Nevada snowmelt, farmers can harvest two crops a year. They even grow
pecans in flooded fields around here.
> Blistering heat is what I recall, and miles of
> baking cattle, shoulder-to-shoulder, stretching to the horizon. The
> stench was overwhelming. What a hellhole place. But "great cheese comes
> from happy cows" LOL!-
Merle Haggard wrote a 1942 song about picking cotton in the "Tulare
Dust", and also swore he'd never swim in the Kern river again.
But the biggest indictment I have ever read about the area is the
final chapter of John Steinbeck's "Grapes of Wrath". Unlike the movie
version, the Joads did not "keep on, keeping on."
Tom Joad left the family to watch over the labor movement in spirit
only before Pa Joad was shot as a chicken thief. Rose O' Sharon's baby
was born dead in the box car near Pixley and they put it into a wooden
box to float through the streets of Delano to "wake up the city folks"
to the plight of the Okies.
Kern county businessmen heartily condemned Steinbeck's stories and his
books were burned in front of the libraries.
But, if you stop for gasoline at the Shell station in Pixley, you'll
see the local girls from the trailer park hanging around hoping to
date a passing trucker...
Eleanor Roosevelt visited the San Joaquin valley during the Great
Depression to see if what Steinbeck had to say about the Hoovervilles
was true.
It was all true, and the cities are still working to get the homeless
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