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Since: Jul 24, 2004
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 4:50 pm
Post subject: Engine oil, Car Vs. Bike
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Read the article about the oils being somewhat interchangeable
(http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3e3e57ba.19695837%40news.optusnet.com.
au)
but dont know what to do in my specific case. I have some Castrol GTX3 SAE
15W40 SL/CF class leftover from when I changed my car oil. The motorbike is
asking for SE or SF class (apparently inferior according to the conclusion
in the above linked article??) SAE 10W40, 10W50, 20W40 or 20W50.
So the weight seems right, but is SL/CF class able to be used where the
apparently inferior SE/SF class is asked for?
Google wasnt of alot of us.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 4:50 pm
Post subject: Re: Engine oil, Car Vs. Bike [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In aus.motorcycles on Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:50:23 +1000
Alex Kelly <ajkelllly.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Read the article about the oils being somewhat interchangeable
> (http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3e3e57ba.19695837%40news.optusnet.com.
> au)
> but dont know what to do in my specific case. I have some Castrol GTX3 SAE
> 15W40 SL/CF class leftover from when I changed my car oil. The motorbike is
> asking for SE or SF class (apparently inferior according to the conclusion
> in the above linked article??) SAE 10W40, 10W50, 20W40 or 20W50.
>
> So the weight seems right, but is SL/CF class able to be used where the
> apparently inferior SE/SF class is asked for?
>
It never hurts to use later model oil.
As long as it's dino oil - not synthetic - if you have been using
non-synthetic before.
In other words, don't use synthetic in a bike that's had non-synthetic
oil unless you change the oil filter and flush the system.
Otherwise, if the weight is close enough, and it seems to be, go for it.
Oil quality isn't as important as frequent changes, You can use
whatever you like as long as you change it early and often.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 4:50 pm
Post subject: Re: Engine oil, Car Vs. Bike [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Well..... beat this..... a guy came into my shop today and bought oil for
his mower. HE selected Mobil 1 (the TRUE fully synthetic Mobil 1 10w-30,
not the semi-synth 5w-50 stuff) @ $100 a bottle!!
Just a little bit of overkil you think?
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:17 pm
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On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:50:23 +1000, "Alex Kelly" <ajkelllly.DeleteThis@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
>Read the article about the oils being somewhat interchangeable
>(http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3e3e57ba.19695837%40news.optusnet.com.
>au)
>but dont know what to do in my specific case. I have some Castrol GTX3 SAE
>15W40 SL/CF class leftover from when I changed my car oil. The motorbike is
>asking for SE or SF class (apparently inferior according to the conclusion
>in the above linked article??) SAE 10W40, 10W50, 20W40 or 20W50.
>
>So the weight seems right, but is SL/CF class able to be used where the
>apparently inferior SE/SF class is asked for?
I went down this road recently, and ended up by sending an email to
Castrol. Basically, I wanted to standardize on oils, rather than having
one kind for the car, another for the K100, and different one for the XV
and another for the GS (yeah yeah yeah - I know - I OVER emphasising).
My concern was the wet clutch on the XV and the GS. I got a responding
phone call from a tech at Castrol (very impressed with the promptness
and personal approach to the customer) who informed me that NONE of the
Castrol oils now have friction modifiers in them. HOWEVER, for wet
clutches in motorcycles, they do not recommend going anything above an
SG class oil. That means that the GTX-2 and GTX-3 products are a no-no.
---
Cheers
PeterC [aka MildThing]
'81 Suzuki GS450-s
'87 BMW K100RT
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:23 pm
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On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 06:04:23 GMT, Zebee Johnstone <zebee.DeleteThis@zip.com.au>
wrote:
>In aus.motorcycles on Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:50:23 +1000
>Alex Kelly <ajkelllly.DeleteThis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Read the article about the oils being somewhat interchangeable
>> (http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3e3e57ba.19695837%40news.optusnet.com.
>> au)
>> but dont know what to do in my specific case. I have some Castrol GTX3 SAE
>> 15W40 SL/CF class leftover from when I changed my car oil. The motorbike is
>> asking for SE or SF class (apparently inferior according to the conclusion
>> in the above linked article??) SAE 10W40, 10W50, 20W40 or 20W50.
>>
>> So the weight seems right, but is SL/CF class able to be used where the
>> apparently inferior SE/SF class is asked for?
>>
>
>It never hurts to use later model oil.
Not according to the Castrol tech, when it comes to wet clutches.
>Oil quality isn't as important as frequent changes, You can use
>whatever you like as long as you change it early and often.
Agreed. I'd rather use Type-X oil that is half the price of Type-Y, and
change it twice as often.
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Cheers
PeterC [aka MildThing]
'81 Suzuki GS450-s
'87 BMW K100RT
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:28 pm
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"Peter Cremasco" <crumpetDELETE.TakeThisOut@dnet.aunz.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:50:23 +1000, "Alex Kelly" <ajkelllly.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >Read the article about the oils being somewhat interchangeable
>
>(http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3e3e57ba.19695837%40news.optusnet.com
..
> >au)
> >but dont know what to do in my specific case. I have some Castrol GTX3
SAE
> >15W40 SL/CF class leftover from when I changed my car oil. The motorbike
is
> >asking for SE or SF class (apparently inferior according to the
conclusion
> >in the above linked article??) SAE 10W40, 10W50, 20W40 or 20W50.
> >
> >So the weight seems right, but is SL/CF class able to be used where the
> >apparently inferior SE/SF class is asked for?
>
> I went down this road recently, and ended up by sending an email to
> Castrol. Basically, I wanted to standardize on oils, rather than having
> one kind for the car, another for the K100, and different one for the XV
> and another for the GS (yeah yeah yeah - I know - I OVER emphasising).
>
> My concern was the wet clutch on the XV and the GS. I got a responding
> phone call from a tech at Castrol (very impressed with the promptness
> and personal approach to the customer) who informed me that NONE of the
> Castrol oils now have friction modifiers in them. HOWEVER, for wet
> clutches in motorcycles, they do not recommend going anything above an
> SG class oil. That means that the GTX-2 and GTX-3 products are a no-no.
and did they say why not ???
>
> ---
> Cheers
>
> PeterC [aka MildThing]
> '81 Suzuki GS450-s
> '87 BMW K100RT
>
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:53 pm
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On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:28:26 +1000, "Johnnie5" <ducatiau DeleteThis @hotmail.com>
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>> My concern was the wet clutch on the XV and the GS. I got a responding
>> phone call from a tech at Castrol (very impressed with the promptness
>> and personal approach to the customer) who informed me that NONE of the
>> Castrol oils now have friction modifiers in them. HOWEVER, for wet
>> clutches in motorcycles, they do not recommend going anything above an
>> SG class oil. That means that the GTX-2 and GTX-3 products are a no-no.
>
>and did they say why not ???
I can't recall specifics, but my impression was that although there were
no 'friction modifiers' in the latest crop of oils, there were additives
which made the likelihood of wet clutch slippage unacceptably high.
---
Cheers
PeterC [aka MildThing]
'81 Suzuki GS450-s
'87 BMW K100RT
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:54 pm
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"Justin" <NOSPAMjus10 RemoveThis @bigpond.net.au.> wrote in message
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> Well..... beat this..... a guy came into my shop today and bought oil for
> his mower. HE selected Mobil 1 (the TRUE fully synthetic Mobil 1 10w-30,
> not the semi-synth 5w-50 stuff) @ $100 a bottle!!
> Just a little bit of overkil you think?
>
> Justin
you didn't inform him that mowers use straight 30 ??<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Engine oil, Car Vs. Bike |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:54 pm
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 8:09 pm
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check the BWM site , it actually explains why their oil is better ,
things like additional ashing properties etc .. the Motor Cycle oil does
actually work better in the graphs they display .
Peter Cremasco wrote:
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> On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:28:26 +1000, "Johnnie5" <ducatiau RemoveThis @hotmail.com>
> wrote:
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> >> My concern was the wet clutch on the XV and the GS. I got a responding
> >> phone call from a tech at Castrol (very impressed with the promptness
> >> and personal approach to the customer) who informed me that NONE of the
> >> Castrol oils now have friction modifiers in them. HOWEVER, for wet
> >> clutches in motorcycles, they do not recommend going anything above an
> >> SG class oil. That means that the GTX-2 and GTX-3 products are a no-no.
> >
> >and did they say why not ???
>
> I can't recall specifics, but my impression was that although there were
> no 'friction modifiers' in the latest crop of oils, there were additives
> which made the likelihood of wet clutch slippage unacceptably high.
>
> ---
> Cheers
>
> PeterC [aka MildThing]
> '81 Suzuki GS450-s
> '87 BMW K100RT
>
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 8:50 pm
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On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:50:23 +1000, "Alex Kelly"
<ajkelllly.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>Read the article about the oils being somewhat interchangeable
>(http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3e3e57ba.19695837%40news.optusnet.com.
>au)
>but dont know what to do in my specific case. I have some Castrol GTX3 SAE
>15W40 SL/CF class leftover from when I changed my car oil. The motorbike is
>asking for SE or SF class (apparently inferior according to the conclusion
>in the above linked article??) SAE 10W40, 10W50, 20W40 or 20W50.
>
>So the weight seems right, but is SL/CF class able to be used where the
>apparently inferior SE/SF class is asked for?
>
>Google wasnt of alot of us.
>
>Thanks, Alex Kelly.
>
Depends if you are using Optimax or not.
Aaron
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 9:11 pm
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"atec" <"atec77(notspam)"@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> check the BWM site , it actually explains why their oil is better ,
> things like additional ashing properties etc .. the Motor Cycle oil does
> actually work better in the graphs they display .
You'll find those graphs are made by marketing people, not engineers.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Engine oil, Car Vs. Bike |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:31 am
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Justin wrote:
> Well..... beat this..... a guy came into my shop today and bought oil for
> his mower. HE selected Mobil 1 (the TRUE fully synthetic Mobil 1 10w-30,
> not the semi-synth 5w-50 stuff) @ $100 a bottle!!
> Just a little bit of overkil you think?
>
> Justin
That's one seet runnin mower! haha, kick ass!
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 12:30 pm
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I have been using regular unleaded so far...
Can anyone tell me the differences between the various classes of oil, or
link me to a chart that explains it?
Cant find much info on it, thanks for your help so far.
"Aaron" <sdfd DeleteThis @microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:50:23 +1000, "Alex Kelly"
> <ajkelllly DeleteThis @yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Read the article about the oils being somewhat interchangeable
>
>(http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3e3e57ba.19695837%40news.optusnet.com
..
> >au)
> >but dont know what to do in my specific case. I have some Castrol GTX3
SAE
> >15W40 SL/CF class leftover from when I changed my car oil. The motorbike
is
> >asking for SE or SF class (apparently inferior according to the
conclusion
> >in the above linked article??) SAE 10W40, 10W50, 20W40 or 20W50.
> >
> >So the weight seems right, but is SL/CF class able to be used where the
> >apparently inferior SE/SF class is asked for?
> >
> >Google wasnt of alot of us.
> >
> >Thanks, Alex Kelly.
> >
>
> Depends if you are using Optimax or not.
>
> Aaron
> ZX6R
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:53 pm
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:30:10 +1000, "Alex Kelly"
<ajkelllly DeleteThis @yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>I have been using regular unleaded so far...
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>"Aaron" <sdfd DeleteThis @microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>> Depends if you are using Optimax or not.
>>
>> Aaron
>> ZX6R
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