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Tom Reese

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 8:48 am
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I've been thinking about buying a bagger and the Screamin Chicken FLHTC
caught my eye at a local dealer. (The price is awfully steep but that's
besides the point) I found a road test report at
http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/roadtests/seglide04/ that mentions a
handling problem:

"Though easy to manhandle at low speed and offering more cornering clearance
than any of the less luxurious maxi-twins, this SE Glide has one foul
handling trait. Cornering at speeds above about 60 mph, hitting a bump would
start a pronounced wallow that would get worse if you rolled off the
throttle, but straighten out if you stayed on the gas. (If you needed to
slow down, keeping the throttle open and riding the rear brake seemed to be
the answer.) We initially blamed in on Friedman's effusive packing, but the
bike turned out to do it even more -- but not with quite the same
magnitude -- when it was unloaded. With the right combination of corner and
bumps, it can get pretty exciting, as the long black tire mark left by the
editor in one bumpy Texas turn will testify. We suspect the culprit is
somewhere in the rubber mounting, but can't be more exact than that."

Is this a common issue with HD baggers or it a sign of a screwed up
suspension? Do you think it might be related to the "high speed wobble"
that's been debated in this newsgroup?

Thanks for any and all replies (even the smart-ass ones).

Tom Reese

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 10:45 am
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"Tom Reese" <tomreese RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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 > I've been thinking about buying a bagger and the Screamin Chicken FLHTC
 > caught my eye at a local dealer. (The price is awfully steep but that's
 > besides the point) I found a road test report at
 > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/roadtests/seglide04/" target="_blank">http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/roadtests/seglide04/</a> that mentions a
 > handling problem:
 >
 > "Though easy to manhandle at low speed and offering more cornering
clearance
 > than any of the less luxurious maxi-twins, this SE Glide has one foul
 > handling trait. Cornering at speeds above about 60 mph, hitting a bump
would
 > start a pronounced wallow that would get worse if you rolled off the
 > throttle, but straighten out if you stayed on the gas. (If you needed to
 > slow down, keeping the throttle open and riding the rear brake seemed to
be
 > the answer.) We initially blamed in on Friedman's effusive packing, but
the
 > bike turned out to do it even more -- but not with quite the same
 > magnitude -- when it was unloaded. With the right combination of corner
and
 > bumps, it can get pretty exciting, as the long black tire mark left by the
 > editor in one bumpy Texas turn will testify. We suspect the culprit is
 > somewhere in the rubber mounting, but can't be more exact than that."
 >
 > Is this a common issue with HD baggers or it a sign of a screwed up
 > suspension? Do you think it might be related to the "high speed wobble"
 > that's been debated in this newsgroup?
 >
 > Thanks for any and all replies (even the smart-ass ones).
 >
 > Tom Reese
 >
 >
So tired of hearing about this shit. I'm getting pretty damn thirsty too.
My '02 bagger gets the living shit run out of it, just like it was somebody
elses, or a rental. I'm on my second right side floorboard due to laying it
WAY over in the turns, and NEVER have I experienced a wobble of any kind
except when dragging the frame, or in need of a new rear tire. Something I
can't say about my Sloptail. I regularly run at speeds above 85 for extended
periods, in traffic, big trucks, rough roads, etc. I'm not saying that a
wobble doesn't exist in certain bikes for unknown reasons, but it hasn't
happened to me or the other bagger riders that I ride with (they ride just
as hard as I). This leads me to believe that possibly the wobble is due to
several factors adding together to make a bad situation. Overloading, bad
tires, bad alignment, improper air shock adjustment for conditions,
under/over inflated tires, etc., etc., etc. Quite possibly even poor rider
skills. The only way to know for sure is to ride the damn thing, or one
like it, and see if it is accecptable to you. Do you believe everything you
read in magazines or the internet? Hit the demo rides, rent a new bagger
for the weekend, or borrow one, and then run the piss out of it. I think
you will find that they are stable as hell in all situations. YMMV but that
is my experience. Good luck.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 10:56 am
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Tom Reese wrote:
 > I've been thinking about buying a bagger and the Screamin Chicken FLHTC
 > caught my eye at a local dealer. (The price is awfully steep but that's
 > besides the point) I found a road test report at
 > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/roadtests/seglide04/" target="_blank">http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/roadtests/seglide04/</a> that mentions a
 > handling problem:
 >
 > "Though easy to manhandle at low speed and offering more cornering clearance
 > than any of the less luxurious maxi-twins, this SE Glide has one foul
 > handling trait. Cornering at speeds above about 60 mph, hitting a bump would
 > start a pronounced wallow that would get worse if you rolled off the
 > throttle, but straighten out if you stayed on the gas. (If you needed to
 > slow down, keeping the throttle open and riding the rear brake seemed to be
 > the answer.) We initially blamed in on Friedman's effusive packing, but the
 > bike turned out to do it even more -- but not with quite the same
 > magnitude -- when it was unloaded. With the right combination of corner and
 > bumps, it can get pretty exciting, as the long black tire mark left by the
 > editor in one bumpy Texas turn will testify. We suspect the culprit is
 > somewhere in the rubber mounting, but can't be more exact than that."
 >
 > Is this a common issue with HD baggers or it a sign of a screwed up
 > suspension? Do you think it might be related to the "high speed wobble"
 > that's been debated in this newsgroup?
 >
 > Thanks for any and all replies (even the smart-ass ones).
 >
 > Tom Reese
 >
Tom,

Sit down, have a cold one of your pleasure.

I have 80K miles on an '01 Screamin Chicken Road Glide, cast
wheels, fairing mounted to the frame. I get 50K miles on the
front tire, 17K to 20K on the rear tires. Tire pressure is
important, suspension adjustment is critical. Never have seen
"a pronounced wallow".

Harley seems to build / set up its' bikes for a 5'8" ; 170 pound rider.
At 6'5' and 290, I was having problems. I found that on my bike, new
fork springs, one oz additional of heavier fork oil, 6 pounds extra air
in the tires and running the air suspension at the upper limits gave me
the best ride and handling. You should expect that the right floorboard
will become a replaceable item (find someone to weld a "scraper pad" on
to it).

A motorcycle with soft tires, wire wheels, farings mounted on the
handlebars,
front and rear suspension not optimized will give any rider problems.
Of course, as usual this is my opinion and YMMV.


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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 11:09 am
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"Tom Reese" <tomreese.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:

:Is this a common issue with HD baggers or it a sign of a screwed up
:suspension? Do you think it might be related to the "high speed wobble"
:that's been debated in this newsgroup?

If the bike isn't properly aligned, it will wobble at high speed.
If adjusted properly, it won't.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 11:19 am
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On Mon, 24 May 2004 09:56:34 -0700, Paul <DerPaul RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:

<schnipp>

 >I have 80K miles on an '01 Screamin Chicken Road Glide, cast
 > wheels, fairing mounted to the frame. I get 50K miles on the
 > front tire, 17K to 20K on the rear tires.

I gotta call bullshit. In all m' years I've never heard tire milage
claims as high as that. Care to elaborate?

Snarl... the "m' bullshit meter imploded" Asshole(tm)


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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 12:11 pm
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"Tom Reese" <tomreese.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<cuadnd6bc6dgRCzdRVn-hQ.RemoveThis@comcast.com>...
  >>
 > Is this a common issue with HD baggers or it a sign of a screwed up
 > suspension?


It's the sign of a screwed up rider. I have a '04, and I can tell you
this: It can change lines in a turn, hold a line through a turn, and
require minimum effort to get it to turn. What it will do is vary it's
line in a turn if the front suspension is loaded and not neutral.
Meaning, if a rider is braking into a turn (which loads the
suspension) and the bike encounteres road irregularities, the bike
will wander off it's line. ANY BIKE WILL DO THIS. The problem is
compounded by the mushy front suspension (which gives a comfortable
ride). The solution is simple: Give up the comfy front suspension,
install some Progressive fork springs, revalve the front tubes, and
ride the piss out of it.

The old problem of oscillation (wobble) was thought to have been
caused by an unbalanced front fork assembly (air forks) and a weakness
in the rear swing arm and resulting flex of the arm. Both problems
were corrected by the factory on the 2000 model year bikes.

No offense, but somehow I suspect that your riding skills are such
that you will not encounter any problems with pushing it too hard
through a curve.


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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 1:29 pm
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On Mon, 24 May 2004 10:09:37 -0400, SteveT<rmh2.TakeThisOut@no48panspam.com>
wrote:

 >"Tom Reese" <tomreese.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:
 >
 >:Is this a common issue with HD baggers or it a sign of a screwed up
 >:suspension? Do you think it might be related to the "high speed wobble"
 >:that's been debated in this newsgroup?
 >
 >If the bike isn't properly aligned, it will wobble at high speed.
 >If adjusted properly, it won't.


Totally agree. Never had a shimmy or a shake for 20,000 hard miles on
my 2000 Classic... from single with no tour pack to way over packed,
two up, eight hour a day, highway trips. Then after a checkup and a
tire change... it started the high-speed, in a curve shaking.

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 1:55 pm
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"Tom Reese" wrote...
 > I've been thinking about buying a bagger and the Screamin Chicken FLHTC
 > caught my eye at a local dealer. (The price is awfully steep but that's
 > besides the point) I found a road test report at
 > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/roadtests/seglide04/" target="_blank">http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/roadtests/seglide04/</a> that mentions a
 > handling problem:
 >
 > "Though easy to manhandle at low speed and offering more cornering
clearance
 > than any of the less luxurious maxi-twins, this SE Glide has one foul
 > handling trait. Cornering at speeds above about 60 mph, hitting a bump
would
 > start a pronounced wallow that would get worse if you rolled off the
 > throttle, but straighten out if you stayed on the gas. (If you needed to
 > slow down, keeping the throttle open and riding the rear brake seemed to
be
 > the answer.) We initially blamed in on Friedman's effusive packing, but
the
 > bike turned out to do it even more -- but not with quite the same
 > magnitude -- when it was unloaded. With the right combination of corner
and
 > bumps, it can get pretty exciting, as the long black tire mark left by the
 > editor in one bumpy Texas turn will testify. We suspect the culprit is
 > somewhere in the rubber mounting, but can't be more exact than that."
 >
 > Is this a common issue with HD baggers or it a sign of a screwed up
 > suspension? Do you think it might be related to the "high speed wobble"
 > that's been debated in this newsgroup?

I'm not sure what they mean by "a pronounced wallow " so I couldn't say, but
as a bagger owner I can honestly say that I've hit bumps at 60+mph while
cornering and don't recall any "wallow", flutter, wobble, shake or rattle.
Then again, I have a Classic with a tourpack and the older air-adjustable
suspension. So really not comparing apples.
While I've never experienced a high speed wobble or tank slapper, I've heard
that there are law suits and all kinds of uproar regarding the issue. So is
this what they mean by "wallow"? Who knows. But IMO, for $27k I'd expect
the thing to ride flawlessly at any speed. If it were me I'd buy a Standard
and pop for a motor upgrade, a custom paint job and still come out ahead.
But that's beside the point.

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 7:08 pm
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snarl67.TakeThisOut@trippin.net wrote:
 >
 > On Mon, 24 May 2004 09:56:34 -0700, Paul <DerPaul.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:
 >
 > <schnipp>
 >
  > >I have 80K miles on an '01 Screamin Chicken Road Glide, cast
  > > wheels, fairing mounted to the frame. I get 50K miles on the
  > > front tire, 17K to 20K on the rear tires.
 >
 > I gotta call bullshit. In all m' years I've never heard tire milage
 > claims as high as that. Care to elaborate?
 >
 > Snarl... the "m' bullshit meter imploded" Asshole(tm)

He's got the stock "TM" tires!
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 8:22 pm
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"AH#49" <AH#49@your.net> wrote in message news:40B23ABF.180D172F@your.net...
 > snarl67.DeleteThis@trippin.net wrote:
  > >
  > > On Mon, 24 May 2004 09:56:34 -0700, Paul <DerPaul.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
  > >
  > > <schnipp>
  > >
   > > >I have 80K miles on an '01 Screamin Chicken Road Glide, cast
   > > > wheels, fairing mounted to the frame. I get 50K miles on the
   > > > front tire, 17K to 20K on the rear tires.
  > >
  > > I gotta call bullshit. In all m' years I've never heard tire milage
  > > claims as high as that. Care to elaborate?
  > >
  > > Snarl... the "m' bullshit meter imploded" Asshole(tm)
 >
 > He's got the stock "TM" tires!
 > (Trailer me)

Yeah no shit, somebody's gotta tell him that 50K miles on the trailer does
*not* equate to tire life.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 10:42 pm
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On Mon, 24 May 2004 12:55:43 GMT, "hawgeye" <hawgeye96 DeleteThis @spamcast.net>
wrote:

 >If it were me I'd buy a Standard and pop for a motor upgrade,
 > a custom paint job and still come out ahead.

Poser
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 10:50 pm
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Curly Larry and Moe wrote:
 >
 > On Mon, 24 May 2004 12:55:43 GMT, "hawgeye" <hawgeye96 DeleteThis @spamcast.net>
 > wrote:
 >
  > >If it were me I'd buy a Standard and pop for a motor upgrade,
  > > a custom paint job and still come out ahead.
 >
 > Poser


Bingo!
Standards have a perfectly good motor already, and the black paint is
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 12:19 am
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<Curly Larry and Moe.DeleteThis@aracnet.com (Curly Larry and Moe)> wrote...
 > On Mon, 24 May 2004 12:55:43 GMT, "hawgeye" wrote:
 >
  > >If it were me I'd buy a Standard and pop for a motor upgrade,
  > > a custom paint job and still come out ahead.
 >
 > Poser

OK, I'd do the paint job!!!
I got yer Poser, rightcheer buddy! <g>

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 6:52 am
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scottly.RemoveThis@yahoo.com (MrScottly) wrote in message news:<3cee843f.0405241011.7e00afe3.RemoveThis@posting.google.com>...
 > "Tom Reese" <tomreese.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<cuadnd6bc6dgRCzdRVn-hQ.RemoveThis@comcast.com>...
   > >>
  > > Is this a common issue with HD baggers or it a sign of a screwed up
  > > suspension?
 >
 >
 > It's the sign of a screwed up rider. I have a '04, and I can tell you
 > this: It can change lines in a turn, hold a line through a turn, and
 > require minimum effort to get it to turn. What it will do is vary it's
 > line in a turn if the front suspension is loaded and not neutral.
 > Meaning, if a rider is braking into a turn (which loads the
 > suspension) and the bike encounteres road irregularities, the bike
 > will wander off it's line. ANY BIKE WILL DO THIS. The problem is
 > compounded by the mushy front suspension (which gives a comfortable
 > ride). The solution is simple: Give up the comfy front suspension,
 > install some Progressive fork springs, revalve the front tubes, and
 > ride the piss out of it.
 >
 > The old problem of oscillation (wobble) was thought to have been
 > caused by an unbalanced front fork assembly (air forks) and a weakness
 > in the rear swing arm and resulting flex of the arm. Both problems
 > were corrected by the factory on the 2000 model year bikes.
 >
 > No offense, but somehow I suspect that your riding skills are such
 > that you will not encounter any problems with pushing it too hard
 > through a curve.
 >
 >
 > MrScottly#54

My first assumption was that the bike was a rental / loaner and hadn't
been maintained properly and something was screwed up. My second
assumption was that the magazine at least checked with HD about the
handling of the bike and they weren't satisfied with the response they
got so they published the article with the handling issues included. I
wrote that post because I thought it was an interesting article with
some bold statements that I thought would make an interesting
discussion.

I didn't know about the corrections that HD made for the old wobble
issue. Thanks for the info.

I'm a better rider than you suspect. I don't claim to be Pascal
Picotte but I am competent. I've ground the bottom off the rear
exhaust pipe on my Wide Glide and I've removed a little bit of metal
off the swing arm knuckle on the left side. My experienced rider
course instructor told me to buy a Buell after I dragged both sides of
the WG all over the parking lot. I do like to ride agressively. That's
why the SE bagger caught my interest and it's why I asked the
questions in the first place.

Thanks for the reply (I think).

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 > On Mon, 24 May 2004 12:55:43 GMT, "hawgeye" <hawgeye96 RemoveThis @spamcast.net>
 > wrote:
 >
  > >If it were me I'd buy a Standard and pop for a motor upgrade,
  > > a custom paint job and still come out ahead.

Plan B is to keep riding my Wide Glide and forget about a bagger for a
while longer. I sure as hell don't need the monthly payment. I saw the
bike in the showroom and it's the first and only bagger I've ever seen
that made me think "I want that!". The plan was always a Road King
"someday" but they've never really grabbed me like this one did.

Thanks for the reply.

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