Ducati shopping

On Feb 17, 4:32 pm, saddlebag <saddle....TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote:
> On Feb 17, 12:14 pm, Tim <ct.mor....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Feb 17, 11:28 am, Steve Mackay <steve_mac....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > _Bob_Nixon_ wrote:
> > > > Tim wrote:
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> > > >> On Feb 16, 4:19 pm, _Bob_Nixon_ <bi....TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote:
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> > > >>>> The also had one of those $72k  RRs on the floor.  What an amazing
> > > >>>> bike!
> > > >>>> What to do?
> > > >>> Buy an SV-650 instead. Half the price, roughly the same performance and
> > > >>> prolly way more reliable. Ride one 1st if you disbelieve.
> > > >> I've always thought that SV650s were performance bargains, but roughly
> > > >> the same performance as a Desmosedici?  Whoa!   THat REALLY is good!
>
> > > > That's not what I said, Tim. Roughly the same as a Duc GT-1000 retro air
> > > > cooled with single intake and exhaust valve and lower compression=less
> > > > torque per cc. Also it's limited to about 8000 RPM whereas an SV pulls all
> > > > the way to 11,000 RPM. So again, I was not comparing the little SV to the
> > > > 1098. And besides, who wants spoke wheels and tubes these days.
>
> > > > BTW, why do you suppose the SV-650's are so dominant in the twins class,
> > > > against the old school ducs 900-1000's in club racing.
>
> > > They are? Where? Certainly not around here. There is one guy, Ed Key who
> > > does REALLY, REALLY well in the twins class. But in no way does he
> > > "dominate" the series. Ed's SV doesn't even resemble an SV any more.
> > > Been punched out to 750CC IIRC, cutom frame, gixxer front end and
> > > brakes, etc...
>
> > > Got any data to back up the claim that they "dominate" the twins classes?
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> > Bob is not content to enjoy his SV650 and rest assured that he got a
> > better performance per dollar value when he bought than he would have
> > if he had bought a Ducati.
>
> Conversely, Tim is not content to allow Bob to discuss motorcycles
> freely and openly on their merits.
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> > For some reason, it wounds Bob's
> > sensibilities that *anyone* would choose a lower performance per
> > dollar value motorcycle than his SV650.
>
> Just because Bob states *his* reasons for owning an SV doesn't mean
> other bikes "wound his sensibilities."  He's posted tons of images of
> a wide range of motorcycles.  He seems to mix and mingle with everyone
> just fine.  He's perfectly within the bounds of reason to lend his
> experienced opinion to a prospective buyer.
>
> > I don't get it.
>
> You're an emotion guy.  Appeals to logic don't seem to have a lot of
> effect on you.  That's OK.

And you're a drunk guy. Reason doesn't apply to discussions with
you. And that's okay.
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>I have a Pit Bull front stand that lifts the front end of the bike
>nicely by the lower triple clamp. I can remove and service the forks
>on my Ducatis just fine.

+1 on PitBull front stands for me too.....
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On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:51:08 +0100, Mark Olson <olsonm.RemoveThis@tiny.invalid> wrote:

> saddlebag wrote:
>> On Feb 17, 10:23 am, "." <Rhiann....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> That entirely defeats the purpose of a newsgroup, as any Damned Fool
>>> can say, "Take it to the shop".
>> Yeah, but sometime it just makes sense. Am I going to buy and store a
>> $1000 worth of hoisting equipment so I can remove the fork tubes to
>> change the oil because Ducati didn't see fit to put a drain hole at
>> the bottom? Am I going to buy a $500 tensioning tool to replace belts
>> in it once every 15k miles when I might want a totally different bike
>> in a year or two?
>
> No sane person would pay $1000 for hoisting equipment when
> a fence stretcher and a couple of tow straps looped over
> the rafters will do the trick nicely.

Or a crate under the bike.

I suspect there's
> a few good Ducati mechanics who get along fine without that
> $500 tensioning tool, too.
>
If you insist on using a tensioning tool, a spring scale will do, often
used to weigh fish etc.

J.



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Steve Mackay wrote:

> _Bob_Nixon_ wrote:
>> Tim wrote:

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> Got any data to back up the claim that they "dominate" the twins classes?

OK, lightweight twins class.
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.. wrote:
> On Feb 17, 9:08 am, Tim <ct.mor....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> You should let go of your anger. Maybe the people you call "damned
>> fools" just have a different way of having fun with their friends
>> than you do.
>>
>> Could it be as simple as that?
>
> Did it ever occur to you that the majority of Damned Fools are out on
> weekends, riding around with people that they know little or nothing
> about, but they meet every weekend and ride to some road house to have
> lunch with strangers merely because
> the strangers own the same kind of motorcycle they do?


Duh! It's the RIDE they have in common....no-one cares who you are or
what you do, what you ride,what you have for lunch. Your'e not out there
to make friends (but often you do). Like minded souls don't have to be
bosom buddies to enjoy a day out riding.


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> How many times have you been asked to go on a funeral ride for some
> rider you hardly knew?


Never!



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> Last time I went on a funeral ride, I met this rider's family and they
> asked how we knew him, and he had never said a word about having any
> relatives, he just showed up to ride with the riders at the hangout
> every weekend.


Nothing wrong with that if you did know the guy. Just say you knew him
through riding.


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> Another rider was at least honest about it when he was invited to go
> to a funeral. He said, "Why should I go to that guy's funeral? I
> hardly know him, except we went on a few group rides.
>
>


And thats what I would say.....unless I was hungry and thirsty.......
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Tim wrote:

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>> Got any data to back up the claim that they "dominate" the twins classes?
>
> Bob is not content to enjoy his SV650 and rest assured that he got a
> better performance per dollar value when he bought than he would have
> if he had bought a Ducati. For some reason, it wounds Bob's
> sensibilities that *anyone* would choose a lower performance per
> dollar value motorcycle than his SV650. I don't get it.

Tim, I'm not wounded over this thread. I just know Bryan, like myself, lives
on a budjet, I've had two SV's now, 1 old style & 1 new. I don't like them
as well as I did the Sprint but things have changed in my life since I
bought the Sprint 6 years ago, So it's back to a small twin that has a lot
of bang for the buck (nearly ID performance to the Ducati GT1000 in Feb 08
Cycle world). You can call me practical but not wounded over this thread.

BTW, the only Ducati I've ridden was an 02 748 and it was a race bike sold
for the street (literally a horse-n-buggy ride) and for just 100cc more it
was a real jackhammer compared to the SV-650, Faster yes, but not a well
rounded machine.

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Bob Nixon, RZ-350, SV-650, Chandler, AZ.
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On Feb 17, 7:02�pm, BrianNZ <br... DeleteThis @itnz.co.nz> wrote:
> . wrote:

> Duh! It's the RIDE they have in common....no-one cares who you are or
> what you do, what you ride,what you have for lunch.

Hey, if you're riding with a bunch of aerospace engineers and they get
together on weekends to play with their 2-wheeled toys, people are
definitely going to know who you are, and what you do and you're going
to eat at eclectic restaurants and the leaders of the pack are going
to order a lot of expensive food and expect to split the tab equally.

OTOH, some of the wildest, weirdest rides I ever went on happened
because of the faltering economy during the Carter Recession. Lots of
people were riding because motorcycles were cheap, they weren't
employed, and they had lots of time to go out on group rides and party
hearty at some lake, river, mountains, seashore.

That all began to break up when the economy improved. People who had
formerly shared whatever they had with other riders went back to work
and became extremely selfish and blew their erstwhile friends off.

But they still had that urge to ride together, they needed other
riders so they would feel the "togetherness" of a group ride.

I had a really weird feeling the first time I went on a group ride
that broke up after less than 100 miles and the guy who organized the
ride said, "Thanks for the ride."

WTF? That was like saying, "I used you for my own pleasure, now I'm
done with you, so you can leave for now".

Is that what riding has come to? Riders are just along for the ride so
the leader won't feel lonesome? The guy with the most expensive
motorcycle doesn't want to actually be *friends* with the guys who
ride with him every weekend?

> Your'e not out there to make friends (but often you do). Like minded souls don't have to be
> bosom buddies to enjoy a day out riding.

Get real. When I see two guys on sportbikes exchanging cell phone
numbers at The Rock Store, I figure they are going to "hook up" later.
Back in the old days, two or three girls would get into their car and
go out to the Rock Store hoping to get a ride on the back of a real
biker's motorcycle.

Now it's just all "Show and Tell on Sunday". Arrive early, show your
shiny bike to everybody, then go home and watch TV.

> > How many times have you been asked to go on a funeral ride for some
> > rider you hardly knew?
>
> Never!

When sport riding first got started in a big way in California, riders
would visit near perfect strangers in hospital, because they had been
on the wild ride where he was hurt, and they would be setting up
roadside shrines to near perfect strangers and they would be going on
funeral rides for near perfect strangers.

And they would all wonder why Johnny died so young, but philosophize
that he died while doing something he enjoyed and that was somehow a
"good thing".

> > Another rider was at least honest about it when he was invited to go
> > to a funeral. He said, "Why should I go to that guy's funeral? I
> > hardly know him, except we went on a few group rides.
>
> And thats what I would say.....unless I was hungry and thirsty.......

I remember hearing about Cowboy Wayne's funeral. I hardly knew him, he
was a creepy Joe Buck kind of midnight cowboy who rode a Jap bike.

He was injured in a street accident and took a long time dying. His
street riding buddies went to his funeral, and Wayne's okie relatives
set up a post funeral buffet for all his relatives and friends.

As the preacher performed the eulogy and talked about the tragedy of
death at such and early age, crazy Little Max with the wild eyes
jumped up and yelled, "We all know how to die, let's get on with the
ride!"

So the Vikings all rode off in memory of Cowboy Wayne, puzzling his
relatives who wondered why Wayne's "friends" didn't want to eat a meal
in his memory.

The Viking leader later explained that they didn't even know Wayne's
family were there...
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On Feb 18, 1:54 am, _Bob_Nixon_ <bi....RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote:

> BTW, the only Ducati I've ridden was an 02 748 and it was a race bike sold
> for the street (literally a horse-n-buggy ride) and for just 100cc more it
> was a real jackhammer compared to the SV-650, Faster yes, but not a well
> rounded machine.

I would suggest that if you get the opportunity, perhaps you might try
riding more than one Ducati.
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On Feb 18, 10:09 am, "." <Rhiann....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 17, 7:02�pm, BrianNZ <br....TakeThisOut@itnz.co.nz> wrote:
>
> > . wrote:
> > Duh! It's the RIDE they have in common....no-one cares who you are or
> > what you do, what you ride,what you have for lunch.
>
> Hey, if you're riding with a bunch of aerospace engineers and they get
> together on weekends to play with their 2-wheeled toys, people are
> definitely going to know who you are, and what you do and you're going
> to eat at eclectic restaurants and the leaders of the pack are going
> to order a lot of expensive food and expect to split the tab equally.
>
> OTOH, some of the wildest, weirdest rides I ever went on happened
> because of the faltering economy during the Carter Recession. Lots of
> people were riding because motorcycles were cheap, they weren't
> employed, and they had lots of time to go out on group rides and party
> hearty at some lake, river, mountains, seashore.
>
> That all began to break up when the economy improved. People who had
> formerly shared whatever they had with other riders went back to work
> and became extremely selfish and blew their erstwhile friends off.
>
> But they still had that urge to ride together, they needed other
> riders so they would feel the "togetherness" of a group ride.
>
> I had a really weird feeling the first time I went on a group ride
> that broke up after less than 100 miles and the guy who organized the
> ride said, "Thanks for the ride."
>
> WTF? That was like saying, "I used you for my own pleasure, now I'm
> done with you, so you can leave for now".
>
> Is that what riding has come to? Riders are just along for the ride so
> the leader won't feel lonesome? The guy with the most expensive
> motorcycle doesn't want to actually be *friends* with the guys who
> ride with him every weekend?
>
> > Your'e not out there to make friends (but often you do). Like minded souls don't have to be
> > bosom buddies to enjoy a day out riding.
>
> Get real. When I see two guys on sportbikes exchanging cell phone
> numbers at The Rock Store, I figure they are going to "hook up" later.
> Back in the old days, two or three girls would get into their car and
> go out to the Rock Store hoping to get a ride on the back of a real
> biker's motorcycle.
>
> Now it's just all "Show and Tell on Sunday". Arrive early, show your
> shiny bike to everybody, then go home and watch TV.
>
> > > How many times have you been asked to go on a funeral ride for some
> > > rider you hardly knew?
>
> > Never!
>
> When sport riding first got started in a big way in California, riders
> would visit near perfect strangers in hospital, because they had been
> on the wild ride where he was hurt, and they would be setting up
> roadside shrines to near perfect strangers and they would be going on
> funeral rides for near perfect strangers.
>
> And they would all wonder why Johnny died so young, but philosophize
> that he died while doing something he enjoyed and that was somehow a
> "good thing".
>
> > > Another rider was at least honest about it when he was invited to go
> > > to a funeral. He said, "Why should I go to that guy's funeral? I
> > > hardly know him, except we went on a few group rides.
>
> > And thats what I would say.....unless I was hungry and thirsty.......
>
> I remember hearing about Cowboy Wayne's funeral. I hardly knew him, he
> was a creepy Joe Buck kind of midnight cowboy who rode a Jap bike.
>
> He was injured in a street accident and took a long time dying. His
> street riding buddies went to his funeral, and Wayne's okie relatives
> set up a post funeral buffet for all his relatives and friends.
>
> As the preacher performed the eulogy and talked about the tragedy of
> death at such and early age, crazy Little Max with the wild eyes
> jumped up and yelled, "We all know how to die, let's get on with the
> ride!"
>
> So the Vikings all rode off in memory of Cowboy Wayne, puzzling his
> relatives who wondered why Wayne's "friends" didn't want to eat a meal
> in his memory.
>
> The Viking leader later explained that they didn't even know Wayne's
> family were there...

Well, that explains why you feel the way you do. Thanks for clearing
that up.
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"Tim" <ct.morrow.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>Well, that explains why you feel the way you do. Thanks for clearing
>that up.

Years ago I thought Krusty should write a book.

I take that back, it would just be the incoherent ramblings of a mad man.
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"_Bob_Nixon_" <bilbo DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> Tim, I'm not wounded over this thread. I just know Bryan, like myself,
> lives
> on a budjet,

That's the truth. If my budget was better, I'd be buying that $72k RR.
Right now I am still deciding on whether or not to get a second opinion on
the F4i. Just getting it back on the trailer over the 8 inches (depth not
distance) of ice and snow between the garage and trailer is a big deterent.
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"TroytheTroll" <f4_boy.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >I have a Pit Bull front stand that lifts the front end of the bike
>>nicely by the lower triple clamp. I can remove and service the forks
>>on my Ducatis just fine.
>
> +1 on PitBull front stands for me too.....


+2


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Tim wrote:
> On Feb 18, 1:54 am, _Bob_Nixon_ <bi....TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> BTW, the only Ducati I've ridden was an 02 748 and it was a race bike sold
>> for the street (literally a horse-n-buggy ride) and for just 100cc more it
>> was a real jackhammer compared to the SV-650, Faster yes, but not a well
>> rounded machine.
>
> I would suggest that if you get the opportunity, perhaps you might try
> riding more than one Ducati.

Bob also had no interest in riding a Buell since he had ridden a Road
King several years ago, and that was close enough... <eye roll> He has
since come around a bit since someone in his group purchased a Ulysses.

Really bob, get out there, go test ride some more bikes!
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