Ducati shopping

> I think I have a few character traits that prevent me escaping the
> world of
> being mechanically challenged.
>
> 1. I'm lazy
> 2. My garage is a mess and I don't care.
> 3. I spent 3+ years restoring an old VW, I had fun at the time, I
> just don't want to do it again on a different machine.
> 4. I really want an excuse to buy a Ducati.
>
> Oh, and I don't mind Krusty. I think he is jealous of me because
> there are at least a few people around here that actually like me.

He does appear to get cranky in weird ways, doesn't he?


>It is entirely possible he has a crush on me, but of course I don't
>swing that way and that breaks his little heart.

He has always been fascinated with "curiosity" for some reason.....
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>Clueless Noob will eat that up, being the center of attention.

Whats the beef with Bryan Krusty?
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saddlebag wrote:
> On Feb 16, 4:19 pm, "BryanUT" <nestl....RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
>> "saddlebag" <saddle....RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:173d5aca-3628-440b-842f-a1b47f2276f2@c33g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> How many miles are on the F4 anyway?
>> 22.5k
>>
>> The bike is only worth about $3500. I am having hard time justify putting
>> over $1000 dollars into it.
>>
>> It starts now. We'll see how it goes come spring. I think I'll try the
>> Marvel Mystry oil.
>
> If it starts, what the problem? Is it burning oil now? The
> tolerances on your Honda are likely much tighter than on the old Ford
> tractor. That motor oil trick might not work as well.
>
> Did you change the oil regularly? 22.5k is nothing...especially for a
> stinkin Honda. Such talk has Soichiro spinning in his grave.

I have to agree with saddlebag , that bike is hardly even broken in !
If your rings WERE stuck , it appears they're unstuck now . I suspect
that dealer is playing you ... get that compression tester , see for
yourself what you've got . Test procedures are in every manual .
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"TroytheTroll" <f4_boy RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >Clueless Noob will eat that up, being the center of attention.
>
> Whats the beef with Bryan Krusty?
>

I think it goes back a few years.

Back before Krusty exposed his racist homophobic tendancies he replied to my
and others questions with detailed (and mostly accurate) but perhaps rather
pedantic repsonses. (See his comments re: your couch and carbs)

I suggested that he should write a book. He took offense. And the game was
on.
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.. wrote:

>6. Repeat.

While you:

Get plonked!

Nym-shift like an attention-starved fag.

Repeat.
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BryanUT wrote:
> So after picking up the stupid F4i I drove on down to the Ducati dealer.
>
> I asked for the OTD price on the GT1000 I test rode last fall. It has the
> Termi exhaust and ECU kit.
>
> A little over $11k and they'll throw in a $500 gift certificate for
> accessories. They don't work on commission either.


I'm not really a fan of the retro look Ducati's. I'm sure they can be a
fun bike, but to me, they are just plain Jane models with a bit of make-up.


>
> If I buy today they'd give me $1k for the F4i on trade.

Like a lot of the others here, I'm dubious about the shops diagnosis.
Even an engine with low compression will start (but
smoke).........unless the rings have snapped and the piston is just
floating around in there......but that is very rare and you'd hear it!!


>
> The also had one of those $72k RRs on the floor. What an amazing bike!
>
> What to do?
>
>

Buy the $72k RR!

At the least, get a second opinion on the F4i. You seem to enjoy riding
it, so an engine problem shouldn't mean 'sell,sell,sell'. If you are
happy with the rest of the bike, just bite the bullet and get it fixed
(or put another engine in!)

But, if youv'e had enough of it and have a hankering for a 'new' bike,
just roll it into the corner for a 'project' to enhance your mechanical
abilities (one day). Then go buy the bike of your dreams.....enjoy your
new Harley.
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"BrianNZ" <brian DeleteThis @itnz.co.nz> wrote in message
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>
> I'm not really a fan of the retro look Ducati's. I'm sure they can be a
> fun bike, but to me, they are just plain Jane models with a bit of
> make-up.
>

I rode 2 Buells, an Aprilia Caponard and the GT1000 last year. The GT just
did it for me, I can't really explain why. Sound? Brakes? Seating position?
Fit and finish? The dealer?

I don't know. But that bike is it.

>
> Buy the $72k RR!
>

Yeah baby! A home equity loan. Unfortunately it was already sold.

MASSIVE swing arm, wild exhaust routing, it just screamed race bike. Their
no question in my mind that it is the ultimate street legal sportbike in the
world.

> At the least, get a second opinion on the F4i. You seem to enjoy riding
> it, so an engine problem shouldn't mean 'sell,sell,sell'. If you are happy
> with the rest of the bike, just bite the bullet and get it fixed (or put
> another engine in!)
>

I am a cheap bastid, I just can't see dumping over $1k into a $3.5k bike.

> But, if youv'e had enough of it and have a hankering for a 'new' bike,
> just roll it into the corner for a 'project' to enhance your mechanical
> abilities (one day). Then go buy the bike of your dreams.....enjoy your
> new Harley.

Don't laugh. I have considered a 1200 Sportster, but I'm sure I would be
disappointed with the power. If only they made one with near 100hp that
looked like this:

http://www.storzperf.com/np_07XR1200conv.html
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>> >Clueless Noob will eat that up, being the center of attention.
>>
>> Whats the beef with Bryan Krusty?
>>
>
> I think it goes back a few years.
>
> Back before Krusty exposed his racist homophobic tendancies

I KNEW HE WAS CURIOUS!!!....oh...wait....thats not what homophobic
means, is it?


> he replied to my and others questions with detailed (and mostly
> accurate) but perhaps rather pedantic repsonses. (See his comments
> re: your couch and carbs)

Krusty does seem to go through swings doesn't he? He's been helpful to
me on several occasions, if only to understand something I would
normally be clueless about and have no desire to really know more of.
But you do have to be careful, he has formed some hard and fast rules
over the years which sound pretty definitive except....they aren't.


>
> I suggested that he should write a book. He took offense. And the
> game was on.

I'm fascinated by his family tree myself, can you just IMAGINE fights
around the dinner talk? The Emperor vs McArthur, Custer vs Sitting
Bull, Lee vs Grant, Patton and Rommel? All in the same family?

Maybe not being famous like all his other relatives just depresses
him?
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On Feb 16, 4:19 pm, _Bob_Nixon_ <bi... RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote:

> > The also had one of those $72k  RRs on the floor.  What an amazing bike!
>
> > What to do?
>
> Buy an SV-650 instead. Half the price, roughly the same performance and
> prolly way more reliable. Ride one 1st if you disbelieve.

I've always thought that SV650s were performance bargains, but roughly
the same performance as a Desmosedici? Whoa! THat REALLY is good!
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"." <RhiannonX.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Feb 16, 2:50?pm, Calgary
> <actual.rider_remove_the_obvio....DeleteThis@telus.net> wrote:
>
>> I join Bryan in being mechanically challenged.
>
> And, like BryanUT, you're an Attention Whore. You want people to read
> your posts and pay attention to you, but when somebody wastes their
> time and gives you good advice, you get snotty.

....says the foul-mouthed clown who constantly tries
to avoid everyone's kill file.

> I have never seen much useful guidance in this group, which is
> dedicated to master debating every topic to death

And yet, for some reason, you're still here.

Bob M.
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On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 00:37:33 +0100, Terry Coombs <snagone.TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

> saddlebag wrote:
>> On Feb 16, 4:19 pm, "BryanUT" <nestl....TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> "saddlebag" <saddle....TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:173d5aca-3628-440b-842f-a1b47f2276f2@c33g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>> How many miles are on the F4 anyway?
>>> 22.5k
>>>
>>> The bike is only worth about $3500. I am having hard time justify
>>> putting
>>> over $1000 dollars into it.
>>>
>>> It starts now. We'll see how it goes come spring. I think I'll try
>>> the
>>> Marvel Mystry oil.
>> If it starts, what the problem? Is it burning oil now? The
>> tolerances on your Honda are likely much tighter than on the old Ford
>> tractor. That motor oil trick might not work as well.
>> Did you change the oil regularly? 22.5k is nothing...especially for a
>> stinkin Honda. Such talk has Soichiro spinning in his grave.
>
> I have to agree with saddlebag , that bike is hardly even broken in !
> If your rings WERE stuck , it appears they're unstuck now . I suspect
> that dealer is playing you ... get that compression tester , see for
> yourself what you've got . Test procedures are in every manual .
> --
> Snag
> Harley's , Honda's , and a Kawasaki ...

The problem is to find a compression tester with the correct plug adapter.
This goes for both 10 and 12mm plugs..
If you can access the plughole "straight", you can use the rubber cone
type, just lean against it hard enough, and have a friend run the starter
at w.o.t.

If the bike runs normally and starts normally both warm and cold, I doubth
your problems are compression related.

Do you at any time get any poping/backfire sounds either in the
airfilterbox or out the exhaust?
Could happen both at accel and deceleration.

If you experience either(With a non leaky exhaust) you most likely have
slightly burned valveseats/valves. Poping out the exhaust = leaky exhaust
valves, in the airfilterbox = intake valves.

Burned valves/valveseats are often caused by valve clearance being out of
spec, as in tight. This again is often due to negelect of service schemes
at correct intervals.

It can sometimes(as in rare) be caused by ignition timing being way off,
as in retarded(related to exhaust valves).

J.



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On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 00:57:35 +0100, BryanUT <nestle12.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:

>
> "BrianNZ" <brian.RemoveThis@itnz.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:47b74aea$1@news.orcon.net.nz...
>>
>> I'm not really a fan of the retro look Ducati's. I'm sure they can be a
>> fun bike, but to me, they are just plain Jane models with a bit of
>> make-up.
>>
>
> I rode 2 Buells, an Aprilia Caponard and the GT1000 last year. The GT
> just
> did it for me, I can't really explain why. Sound? Brakes? Seating
> position?
> Fit and finish? The dealer?
>
> I don't know. But that bike is it.
>
>>
>> Buy the $72k RR!
>>
>
> Yeah baby! A home equity loan. Unfortunately it was already sold.
>
> MASSIVE swing arm, wild exhaust routing, it just screamed race bike.
> Their
> no question in my mind that it is the ultimate street legal sportbike in
> the
> world.
>
>> At the least, get a second opinion on the F4i. You seem to enjoy riding
>> it, so an engine problem shouldn't mean 'sell,sell,sell'. If you are
>> happy
>> with the rest of the bike, just bite the bullet and get it fixed (or put
>> another engine in!)
>>
>
> I am a cheap bastid, I just can't see dumping over $1k into a $3.5k bike.
>
>> But, if youv'e had enough of it and have a hankering for a 'new' bike,
>> just roll it into the corner for a 'project' to enhance your mechanical
>> abilities (one day). Then go buy the bike of your dreams.....enjoy your
>> new Harley.
>
> Don't laugh. I have considered a 1200 Sportster, but I'm sure I would be
> disappointed with the power. If only they made one with near 100hp that
> looked like this:
>
> http://www.storzperf.com/np_07XR1200conv.html
>
>

Looks nice, but center of gravity....
Made for a dirt flattrack? Similar to what we call Speedway in Europe..

J.



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On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:17:12 -0800 (PST), "." <RhiannonX.DeleteThis@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>> Constructive information, guidance and encouragement from most of this group has
>> helped me through a few mechanical procedures.
>
>I have never seen much useful guidance in this group, which is
>dedicated to master debating every topic to death

Pot, Kettle and all that.


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