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Since: Apr 19, 2004 Posts: 64
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:39 am
Post subject: Ducati get their way Archived from groups: aus>motorcycles (more info?)
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New Superbike Rules Adopted For '08
This just in from the FIM:
Superbike World Championship
Changes to the Technical Rules for 2008 - Twin cylinders to 1200cc
After consultation with all the parties involved and upon the proposal
submitted by the Superbike Commission, the FIM has decided the following
amendment and additions to the Superbike World Championship technical
rules for 2008.
Displacement capacities.
o 2 cylinders over 850cc up to 1200cc
o 3 cylinders over 750cc up to 1000cc
o 4 cylinders over 750cc up to 1000cc
· Minimum weights.
o 2 cylinders over 850cc up to 1200cc: 168kg
o 4 cylinders over 750cc up to 1000cc: 162kg
Minimum weight of 2 cylinders over 850cc up to 1200cc will be updated,
if needed, during the Championship in steps of ±3kg to 171kg as a
maximum and 162kg as a minimum.
· Air-restrictors.
Only 2 cylinders over 850cc up to 1200cc will be fitted with
air-restrictors. Initial size will be equivalent to a Ø50mm circular
area. Air-restrictors size will be updated, if needed, during the
Championship in steps of ±2mm of diameter in a range from equivalent to
a Ø46mm circular area to no air-restrictor at all.
· Balance of different motorcycle concepts.
Weight limit and then air-restrictors size of 2 cylinders over 850cc up
to 1200cc machines will be updated, if needed, during the Championship,
by a system analysing the race points obtained.
· Tuning level.
All machines will have the same level of tuning presently applied to 4
cylinders over 750cc up to 1000cc, with the exception of connecting rods
that must be standard for 2 cylinders over 850cc up to 1200cc.
· Homologation numbers.
For 2008 and 2009 all manufacturers, irrespective of their total
production numbers, will have to produce a minimum of 1000 bikes in
order to get an homologation.
For 2010 onwards the minimum production number will be increased to 3000
bikes.
The complete set of the new 2008 Superbike technical rules will be
issued by FIM during next week. >> Stay informed about: Ducati get their way |
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Since: Jun 09, 2007 Posts: 8
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 4:27 pm
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So for the right to run larger capacity, they get:
-heavier bikes (168kg 2cyl vs 162kg 3&4 cyl) (to be adjusted during the
series if needed)
-air restrictors when the 4 cyl bikes don't have to run them (size to be
adjusted during the series if needed)
-no higher standard of tune than the 4 cyl bikes except the 4cyl bikes are
allowed special conrods, 2cyl to run standard parts
Could there be a chance that it wont be Formula Ducati again, they've had to
accept a few handicaps for the right to go bigger, when the twins had a
capacity advantage before (1000 vs 750-4s) thya also had a weight advantage,
but not this time.
Al >> Stay informed about: Ducati get their way |
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Since: Mar 21, 2007 Posts: 570
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:09 pm
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AL-58 wrote:
> So for the right to run larger capacity, they get:
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> -heavier bikes (168kg 2cyl vs 162kg 3&4 cyl) (to be adjusted during the
> series if needed)
> -air restrictors when the 4 cyl bikes don't have to run them (size to be
> adjusted during the series if needed)
> -no higher standard of tune than the 4 cyl bikes except the 4cyl bikes are
> allowed special conrods, 2cyl to run standard parts
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> Could there be a chance that it wont be Formula Ducati again, they've had to
> accept a few handicaps for the right to go bigger, when the twins had a
> capacity advantage before (1000 vs 750-4s) thya also had a weight advantage,
> but not this time.
I suppose it all hinges on the "to be adjusted during the series if needed".
I wonder who decides, and on what basis?
You'd have to be pretty deft to want to run a duc under those words.
regards,
CrazyCam >> Stay informed about: Ducati get their way |
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Since: Jun 09, 2007 Posts: 8
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:34 pm
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Since: Apr 09, 2005 Posts: 74
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:03 pm
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AL-58 wrote:
>> You'd have to be pretty deft to want to run a duc under those words.
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>> regards,
>> CrazyCam
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> Do you mean "daft"?
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> Al
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woter ye deef mon!!! Canna ye understend pleen English!
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Since: Jun 03, 2007 Posts: 25
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:21 pm
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On Jun 17, 9:39 am, Big Bird <spamt... RemoveThis @optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> New Superbike Rules Adopted For '08
bikes.
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> The complete set of the new 2008 Superbike technical rules will be
> issued by FIM during next week.
Makes sense, Ducati IS a v-twin company [like that US brand]
The rule book is the same for everybody, NOT a matter of Ducati
getting its way.
hahahahaonda [who got there lead slashed yesterday....GOLD] are on the
board and agreed to the twin formula, as did the other Japper brands.
The real question is can Ducati/Aussie do the double in both race
catg.?
Frankly, if hahahahonda get humilited [as they currently are] i am all
for it!
Power of SHITBOXS
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Since: Jun 03, 2007 Posts: 25
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:06 pm
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On Jun 18, 11:57 am, Toosmoky <toosm... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> D16... RemoveThis @coldmail.com wrote:
> > The rule book is the same for everybody, NOT a matter of Ducati
> > getting its way.
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> Yup. Any manufacturer is free to build a 1200 V-twin, just as Ducati is
> free to build a 1000 inline four if they want.
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> --
> Toosmoky
> Work to ride, Ride to Work...http://users.tpg.com.au/smokey61
Aprilia are in its final test phase of its 4cyl. SBK bike, MV Agusta
too, lots more bikes in the field in 08', going to be even better than
now!
Maybe C10 will show it again?
[So much for the doomsdayers who where crying SBK was finished]
West would HAVE to get a factory ride, would/nt he?Aussies are the
flavour of the month!
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Since: Jun 03, 2007 Posts: 164
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:59 pm
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On Jun 18, 12:06 pm, "D16...@coldmail.com" <ausc... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 18, 11:57 am, Toosmoky <toosm... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > D16... RemoveThis @coldmail.com wrote:
> > > The rule book is the same for everybody, NOT a matter of Ducati
> > > getting its way.
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> > Yup. Any manufacturer is free to build a 1200 V-twin, just as Ducati is
> > free to build a 1000 inline four if they want.
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> > --
> > Toosmoky
> > Work to ride, Ride to Work...http://users.tpg.com.au/smokey61
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> Aprilia are in its final test phase of its 4cyl. SBK bike,
That one should be interesting - Honda will be releasing a V4 CBRthou
next model (08 or 09) supposedly (according to AMCN anyway) - should
be interesting to have a couple of inline 4's against V4's and a
Vtwin.
Damn shame they held the triple to 1000 - they should have given it
1100 I'd love to see Trumpy and Benelli in SBK...
> MV Agusta
> too, lots more bikes in the field in 08', going to be even better than
> now!
Much as I'd love them to do well, with Foggy in charge - no chance of
them doing anything other than making up the numbers - damn shame
given the start point is a damn good bike (which it should be given
the price differential to it's competitors)
> West would HAVE to get a factory ride, would/nt he?Aussies are the
> flavour of the month!
Yeah right. Aussies are not and never have been - any more than
Americans are. If you're not Italian or Spanish you'll struggle to get
a ride. If an Aussie or a Yank can outride the Latins on poorer
machinery then and only then do they get decent kit(1).
JL
(1) Anybody catch the snippet in Crash.net where Hayden got to test
the new chassis that Dani had for the last race and promptly went
faster than him ? Honda really don't want him to win anything do they ? >> Stay informed about: Ducati get their way |
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Since: Jun 12, 2007 Posts: 20
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:27 pm
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On Jun 18, 12:59 pm, JL <jlitt... DeleteThis @my-deja.com> wrote:
> (1) Anybody catch the snippet in Crash.net where Hayden got to test
> the new chassis that Dani had for the last race and promptly went
> faster than him ? Honda really don't want him to win anything do they ?
Sure they do...they're just not interested in actually helping him do
it.
HRC are geniuses when it comes to making fast bikes, and complete
idiots when it comes to handling people. >> Stay informed about: Ducati get their way |
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Since: Jun 09, 2007 Posts: 8
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:20 pm
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"moike" <bmwmoike.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> AL-58 wrote:
>>> You'd have to be pretty deft to want to run a duc under those words.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> CrazyCam
>>>
>> Do you mean "daft"?
>>
>> Al
> woter ye deef mon!!! Canna ye understend pleen English!
>
> Moike
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Ah dinnae ken whit yer oan aboot
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Since: Jun 03, 2007 Posts: 25
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:21 pm
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On Jun 18, 4:03 pm, "AL-58" <n... DeleteThis @nothing.com> wrote:
> "Toosmoky" <toosm... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:4675e74f$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
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> > D16... DeleteThis @coldmail.com wrote:
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> >> The rule book is the same for everybody, NOT a matter of Ducati
> >> getting its way.
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> Except that Ducati were the only ones that wanted the change.
Indeed, how can they race a bike which is obsolete and no longer in
prodcution? >> Stay informed about: Ducati get their way |
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Since: Mar 21, 2007 Posts: 570
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:05 am
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AL-58 wrote:
>> You'd have to be pretty deft to want to run a duc under those words.
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>> regards,
>> CrazyCam
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> Do you mean "daft"?
Yup! bloody tipsy fingers...
regards,
CrazyCam >> Stay informed about: Ducati get their way |
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Since: Dec 31, 2005 Posts: 1776
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:51 am
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"Toosmoky" <toosmoky DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> D16GP5 DeleteThis @coldmail.com wrote:
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>> The rule book is the same for everybody, NOT a matter of Ducati
>> getting its way.
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> Yup. Any manufacturer is free to build a 1200 V-twin, just as Ducati is
> free to build a 1000 inline four if they want.
>
I doubt they'd build an inline 4 but a V4 seemed to be iminent a year or two
ago.
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Since: Oct 05, 2003 Posts: 524
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:57 am
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Since: Dec 31, 2005 Posts: 1776
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:58 am
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