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On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:43:37 +0100, darsy <darsy.DeleteThis@sticky.co.uk> wrote:

>Ace <seesig.DeleteThis@virgin.net> wrote:
>
>>You seem to be implying that VPN would only work with his _company_
>>laptop. This is not necessarily so.
>
>it is the case for me, though.

Oh, how primitive.

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Champ <news RemoveThis @champ.org.uk> wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:42:17 +0100, darsy <darsy RemoveThis @sticky.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Champ <news RemoveThis @champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:31:22 +0100, darsy <darsy RemoveThis @sticky.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I don't either.
>>>
>>>So... when you don't have your laptop at home, and you want to look
>>>up, say, my address, what do you do?
>>
>>although I've no idea what your address is, in general, I'd look it up
>>in my address book.
>
>tch! Luddite!

it's somewhat quicker than booting up the PC.

On the other hand, to be honest, I don't /really/ use the physical
address book either; generally, if I'm going somewhere for the first
time, I'll find out the address, and then - get this - I'll remember
it. If not the actual postal address, at least where it is and how to
get there.

And if you're talking about snailmail, well, I plain don't use it.

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zymurgy.TakeThisOut@technologist.com wrote:

>
>darsy wrote:
>> zymurgy wrote:
>> >darsy wrote:

>> >> Earliest sentmail: 1989 (ex Uni-account)
>> >> Earliest inbox entry: 1993 (ex Spuddy's account)
>> >>
>> >> both - hilariously - to people now dead.
>> >
>> >My earliest one's from her too, on the grand assumption one of yours is
>> >the same
>>
>> look at the dates, you arse.
>
><looks blankly>

*sigh*

ukrm didn't exist in 89 or 93, never mind existed for long enough for
me to have met people through it.

Unless you're talking about something completely hatstand.


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Ace <seesig RemoveThis @virgin.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:43:37 +0100, darsy <darsy RemoveThis @sticky.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Ace <seesig RemoveThis @virgin.net> wrote:
>>
>>>You seem to be implying that VPN would only work with his _company_
>>>laptop. This is not necessarily so.
>>
>>it is the case for me, though.
>
>Oh, how primitive.

only company supplied equipment can be connected to the network for
fairly sensible security reasons; it's not that we don't know how to
do it.

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On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:04:55 +0100, darsy <darsy RemoveThis @sticky.co.uk> wrote:

>>>although I've no idea what your address is, in general, I'd look it up
>>>in my address book.
>>
>>tch! Luddite!
>
>it's somewhat quicker than booting up the PC.

My PC never sleeps

>On the other hand, to be honest, I don't /really/ use the physical
>address book either; generally, if I'm going somewhere for the first
>time, I'll find out the address, and then - get this - I'll remember
>it. If not the actual postal address, at least where it is and how to
>get there.

Well, sure, I do the same if I need to go there.

>And if you're talking about snailmail, well, I plain don't use it.

Really? No christmas or birthday cards? No cheques to TOG or others
for various things?

I'm using snailmail more and more to send DVDs of programs recorded on
my PVR to various people.
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On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:09:09 +0100, darsy <darsy.TakeThisOut@sticky.co.uk> wrote:

>Ace <seesig.TakeThisOut@virgin.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:43:37 +0100, darsy <darsy.TakeThisOut@sticky.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>Ace <seesig.TakeThisOut@virgin.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>You seem to be implying that VPN would only work with his _company_
>>>>laptop. This is not necessarily so.
>>>
>>>it is the case for me, though.
>>
>>Oh, how primitive.
>
>only company supplied equipment can be connected to the network for
>fairly sensible security reasons; it's not that we don't know how to
>do it.

Well yes, but I thought the whole point of VPN was that it ensured
that same security. Ours is set up such that I can start a remote
(Citrix-served) Windows session with no access to the local machine.
Screen images only are then passed over. From an external machine,
this is the _only_ way it works.

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Champ <news.RemoveThis@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:04:55 +0100, darsy <darsy.RemoveThis@sticky.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>And if you're talking about snailmail, well, I plain don't use it.
>
>Really? No christmas or birthday cards?

I know the addresses of the small number of people that get these.

>No cheques to TOG or others
>for various things?

Not in recent memory. The only things I put in a postbox are returning
Amazon rental DVDs and pre-addressed stuff like tax returns.



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Ace wrote:
>
> On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:09:09 +0100, darsy <darsy.DeleteThis@sticky.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >only company supplied equipment can be connected to the network for
> >fairly sensible security reasons; it's not that we don't know how to
> >do it.
>
> Well yes, but I thought the whole point of VPN was that it ensured
> that same security. Ours is set up such that I can start a remote
> (Citrix-served) Windows session with no access to the local machine.
> Screen images only are then passed over. From an external machine,
> this is the _only_ way it works.

A VPN is an encrypted IP tunnel. No more, no less. What you're doing
there is using a thin client on top of your host OS. Not really a VPN at
all, more like a glorified dynamic web page with an illuminated padlock.

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Ace <seesig.RemoveThis@virgin.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:09:09 +0100, darsy <darsy.RemoveThis@sticky.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>only company supplied equipment can be connected to the network for
>>fairly sensible security reasons; it's not that we don't know how to
>>do it.
>
>Well yes, but I thought the whole point of VPN was that it ensured
>that same security. Ours is set up such that I can start a remote
>(Citrix-served) Windows session with no access to the local machine.
>Screen images only are then passed over. From an external machine,
>this is the _only_ way it works.

I think you misunderstand what I mean by security.

When my laptop is connected via the VPN, it's pretty much as if it
were plugged into the network, and security is managed by the RSA
encryption in the VPN software itself.

If I were to run the same client software on my personal PC, it might
be running all manner of trojan, keylogger, virus etc. which is why we
/don't/ let personal equipment connect to the network.

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On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:27:00 +0100, darsy <darsy DeleteThis @sticky.co.uk> wrote:

>Ace <seesig DeleteThis @virgin.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:09:09 +0100, darsy <darsy DeleteThis @sticky.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>only company supplied equipment can be connected to the network for
>>>fairly sensible security reasons; it's not that we don't know how to
>>>do it.
>>
>>Well yes, but I thought the whole point of VPN was that it ensured
>>that same security. Ours is set up such that I can start a remote
>>(Citrix-served) Windows session with no access to the local machine.
>>Screen images only are then passed over. From an external machine,
>>this is the _only_ way it works.
>
>I think you misunderstand what I mean by security.

No, I've since realised that I've misunderstood/misremembered how I
connect.

<snip explanation>

Yes, that would be the same on ours. What I've neglected to remember
is that for remote access from non-company kit, it's not VPN I use at
all, but a web client hooked up to use the same SecurID card as I use
for VPN. Said client then allows remote sessions on Windows, Unix or
whatever to be established.

My confusion.

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Champ said...
> On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:49:18 +0100, darsy <darsy.RemoveThis@sticky.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Champ <news.RemoveThis@champ.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:00:40 +0100, Phil Launchbury
> >><phill.RemoveThis@launchbury.org.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>>You use Outlook for home email?
> >>
> >>Yep, like almost everybody does.
> >
> >No - almost everybody uses Outlook Express.
>
> OK, I wasn't differentiating the two.
>
> I use full Outlook at home (because I can), and it's an excellent
> email/contact/diary manager.

Which is exactly why I have full fat Outlook, not the pikey diet
'Express' version. I still haven't found a bit of software that will
allow me to synch my Palm 3X with Outlook though, which would make life
even easier.

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darsy said...

> On the other hand, to be honest, I don't /really/ use the physical
> address book either; generally, if I'm going somewhere for the first
> time, I'll find out the address, and then - get this - I'll remember
> it. If not the actual postal address, at least where it is and how to
> get there.

I could find my way straight to Champ's old place - the one near the
roundabout with the fuel station in the middle - but I haven't a clue
what the road name or house number was. I don't know many peoples
addresses, but I know where they physically live, IYSWIM.

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In article <MPG.1ea49b84ef2f0061989e77.RemoveThis@news.individual.net>, Lozzo
says...
> Champ said...
> > On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:49:18 +0100, darsy <darsy.RemoveThis@sticky.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > >Champ <news.RemoveThis@champ.org.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > >>On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:00:40 +0100, Phil Launchbury
> > >><phill.RemoveThis@launchbury.org.uk> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>You use Outlook for home email?
> > >>
> > >>Yep, like almost everybody does.
> > >
> > >No - almost everybody uses Outlook Express.
> >
> > OK, I wasn't differentiating the two.
> >
> > I use full Outlook at home (because I can), and it's an excellent
> > email/contact/diary manager.
>
> Which is exactly why I have full fat Outlook, not the pikey diet
> 'Express' version. I still haven't found a bit of software that will
> allow me to synch my Palm 3X with Outlook though, which would make life
> even easier.

I'm sure Palm desktop 4 does this just fine, and was a free download off
the palm site.
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