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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 3:27 pm
Post subject: Component replacement philosophies in winter maint: reactivi
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So I'm trying to like my XR/the sport more and just took the thing apart
for the hell of it the other night. Given I'll be bolting up the blower to
the tractor this weekend, I might as well keep going and just do the whole
usual winter thing... swing arm and all. And as I remove/inspect each wear
item, I'll again get into the internal debate:
It's 5(?) years old.. I should just replace the SELECT_ANY(throttle/clutch
cables, chain/sprockets, jets/needle/slide, valve chain, clutch, etc)
because they all always wear out and it *must* be time right now. But as I
look at each and factor in that I am by far the slowest and least
aggressive rider in RMD.. struggling to detect any significant wear
evidence.. I also tell myself it looks pretty damn good. Why blow the
money?
What are your thoughts on preventivism vs reactivism when deciding what to
leave in/replace? The bike currently has just slightly more than 3700
miles on it.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 3:39 pm
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More often than not, it is absolutely amazing just how shitty something can
be, and still be functional, but not very fun.
With 27 years of riding, I've arrived at a new relationship with bikes
though. It's no longer as if there's some sort of contract of duration. If
it makes me happy, I'll keep it a little longer, it I am less than thrilled,
it leaves. No explanations due to anyone. Riding or brand loyalty is not
a duty. If I decide it sits for a month or I decide to ride it every day
for a while, I do it because I feel like it. You addressed this (is it still
fun?) with your missive on hockey.
At some point you've encountered everything you want to with a certain bike
and a new one makes the whole thing fresh again.
No, this is not analogous to marriage.
Kurt
"Mike W." <outofthe DeleteThis @emailbiz.com> wrote in message
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> So I'm trying to like my XR/the sport more and just took the thing apart
> for the hell of it the other night. Given I'll be bolting up the blower to
> the tractor this weekend, I might as well keep going and just do the whole
> usual winter thing... swing arm and all. And as I remove/inspect each wear
> item, I'll again get into the internal debate:
>
> It's 5(?) years old.. I should just replace the SELECT_ANY(throttle/clutch
> cables, chain/sprockets, jets/needle/slide, valve chain, clutch, etc)
> because they all always wear out and it *must* be time right now. But as I
> look at each and factor in that I am by far the slowest and least
> aggressive rider in RMD.. struggling to detect any significant wear
> evidence.. I also tell myself it looks pretty damn good. Why blow the
> money?
>
> What are your thoughts on preventivism vs reactivism when deciding what to
> leave in/replace? The bike currently has just slightly more than 3700
> miles on it.
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> Mike
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 5:48 pm
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Mike W. <outofthe.TakeThisOut@emailbiz.com> wrote in message news:<i2m7rv4ap4280bhbmt9d1v71te6mcte5cb.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>...
> It's 5(?) years old.. I should just replace the SELECT_ANY(throttle/clutch
> cables, chain/sprockets, jets/needle/slide, valve chain, clutch, etc)
> because they all always wear out and it *must* be time right now. But as I
> look at each and factor in that I am by far the slowest and least
> aggressive rider in RMD.. struggling to detect any significant wear
> evidence.. I also tell myself it looks pretty damn good. Why blow the
> money?
>
> What are your thoughts on preventivism vs reactivism when deciding what to
> leave in/replace? The bike currently has just slightly more than 3700
> miles on it.
>
> Mike
Well, if you worry like I do, preventive maintenace goes a long way.
My '01 XR4 has about 2500 miles on it, and this week I:
-replaced the clutch cable & lever
-replaced front & rear brake pads
-flushed & replaced brake fluid
-cleaned/lubed throttle cables
-washed all the accumulated mud from those hard-to-reach spots
-removed & cleaned airbox, boot & air filter
-replaced both sprockets & chain just last month, and
-will check valve clearances, grease bearings, oil change, etc next.
In my case, it's just fun to work on my bike, and I don't think of it
a chore. You don't need to go nuts, but if it looks worn,
replace/lube/fix it.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 6:48 pm
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Mike W. wrote:
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> So I'm trying to like my XR/the sport more and just took the thing apart
> for the hell of it the other night. Given I'll be bolting up the blower to
> the tractor this weekend, I might as well keep going and just do the whole
> usual winter thing... swing arm and all. And as I remove/inspect each wear
> item, I'll again get into the internal debate:
>
> It's 5(?) years old.. I should just replace the SELECT_ANY(throttle/clutch
> cables, chain/sprockets, jets/needle/slide, valve chain, clutch, etc)
> because they all always wear out and it *must* be time right now. But as I
> look at each and factor in that I am by far the slowest and least
> aggressive rider in RMD.. struggling to detect any significant wear
> evidence.. I also tell myself it looks pretty damn good. Why blow the
> money?
Pffffff. I change the oil and clean the filter. Everything else waits
until it breaks. Better than trying to guess what will break on the trail,
is to have bailing wire and at least two small sets of vice grips. Just my
..02.
Eric
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2000 XR250, '74 Elsinore MR50 (original owner),
'99 CR80 (11yr old daughter), '96 RM80 (14yr old son), 2000 DS80 (visiting
kids).
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 7:12 pm
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:39:27 -0600, "IRKurt" <kurtinmn.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>More often than not, it is absolutely amazing just how shitty something can
>be, and still be functional, but not very fun.
My body is proof of that.
>
>With 27 years of riding, I've arrived at a new relationship with bikes
>though. It's no longer as if there's some sort of contract of duration. If
>it makes me happy, I'll keep it a little longer, it I am less than thrilled,
>it leaves. No explanations due to anyone. Riding or brand loyalty is not
>a duty. If I decide it sits for a month or I decide to ride it every day
>for a while, I do it because I feel like it. You addressed this (is it still
>fun?) with your missive on hockey.
I'd like to see if I can jump start the interest level. As I'm
progressively certain I blew out another disk in Japan, I can't say if
I'll actually ride it when it's back together, but if it doesn't get
worse, I'd like to enjoy riding again. Of course.. I'll probably need a
time machine to go back to before those buttheads up on the mountain
bought their quads.
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>At some point you've encountered everything you want to with a certain bike
>and a new one makes the whole thing fresh again.
A cool thing about the XR is that after riding the cop bike so much, the
XR feels like it's made out of balsa wood. I'm an XR guy. Maybe add to
it.. *maybe*... but not replace.
>
>No, this is not analogous to marriage.
Unless Dana calls. Agreed.
M
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 9:18 pm
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"Mike W." <outofthe.RemoveThis@emailbiz.com> wrote in message
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> What are your thoughts on preventivism vs reactivism when deciding what to
> leave in/replace? The bike currently has just slightly more than 3700
> miles on it.
If excessively worn, replace. Otherwise clean & lubricate. You
make things too difficult.
You bike is barely broken in. Properly maintained, your XR should be
good for ~20k miles without significant repairs.
Oh, keep an eye on inner tubes. If they start to show cracking or
excessive chaffing, replace them. If the tubes are OK, make sure
you rotate your tires often & replace the air in them.
-Jeffrey Deeney- DoD#0498 NCTR UTMA BRC COHVCO AMA
'99 ATK 260LQ-Stink Wheels '94 XR650L-DreamSickle
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 9:18 pm
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"Jeff Deeney" <jeff_deeney RemoveThis @hp.removeme.com> wrote in message
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> Oh, keep an eye on inner tubes. If they start to show cracking or
> excessive chaffing, replace them. If the tubes are OK, make sure
> you rotate your tires often & replace the air in them.
No shit! I can't believe how many people put themselves in danger by
letting the tube air molocules disintegrate into compressed explosiveness
(oxygen / hydrogen) by not replacing the air with unbroken atmosphere
molocules. The impacts of off-roading apparently shred the molocules and
put the more inert and heavier nitrogen toward the bottom of the wheel where
it becomes static.
I even talked to one guy who hadn't replaced the air in over five years. I
moved away quickly and shuddered at the thought of him hitting a rock that
would puncture the tire and nick the rim... <shudder>...
Mike: You HAVE replaced the air since you bought the XR, right? If not,
you may want to call a Haz-Mat team.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 9:18 pm
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:18:35 GMT, "Jeff Deeney"
<jeff_deeney.DeleteThis@hp.removeme.com> wrote:
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>If excessively worn, replace. Otherwise clean & lubricate. You
>make things too difficult.
Now I *hear* you are the most anal bike maintainer in here... and did
expect a first response from you:) So.. details:
Would you leave the cables untouched or replace them based on age? You
can't inspect these effectively.
Would you go in and look at the clutch just for the hell of it?
When I get this damn thing out to ID, I expect to demonstrate the art of
the round-trip... something that is not a lock on a Husaberg.
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>Oh, keep an eye on inner tubes. If they start to show cracking or
>excessive chaffing, replace them. If the tubes are OK, make sure
>you rotate your tires often & replace the air in them.
KMA:)
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 9:18 pm
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:49:21 -0600, "IRKurt" <kurtinmn RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
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>No shit! I can't believe how many people put themselves in danger by
>letting the tube air molocules disintegrate into compressed explosiveness
>(oxygen / hydrogen) by not replacing the air with unbroken atmosphere
>molocules. The impacts of off-roading apparently shred the molocules and
>put the more inert and heavier nitrogen toward the bottom of the wheel where
>it becomes static.
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>I even talked to one guy who hadn't replaced the air in over five years. I
>moved away quickly and shuddered at the thought of him hitting a rock that
>would puncture the tire and nick the rim... <shudder>...
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>Mike: You HAVE replaced the air since you bought the XR, right? If not,
>you may want to call a Haz-Mat team.
>
>Kurt
>
Ummm... no.
Mike
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 12:26 am
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:07:00 -0500, Mike W. <outofthe.DeleteThis@emailbiz.com>
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>When I get this damn thing out to ID, I expect to demonstrate the art of
>the round-trip... something that is not a lock on a Husaberg.
I'm being personally baited, aren't I? It's okay. The Husaberg knows
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 12:53 am
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:07:00 -0500, Mike W. <outofthe DeleteThis @emailbiz.com>
spewed forth:
>>If excessively worn, replace. Otherwise clean & lubricate. You
>>make things too difficult.
>Now I *hear* you are the most anal bike maintainer in here... and did
>expect a first response from you:) So.. details:
We like to call him *thorough*.
>Would you leave the cables untouched or replace them based on age? You
>can't inspect these effectively.
Sure you can. The cable will fray where they rub against something.
Either the end of the housing or a bracket. Remove the cables and pull
teh cable out completely and inspect it for broken wires. If it looks
good lubricate it with a pressure luber and reinstall it.
>Would you go in and look at the clutch just for the hell of it?
Not unless it was slipping.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 1:12 am
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"Mike W." <outofthe.TakeThisOut@emailbiz.com> wrote in message
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> Now I *hear* you are the most anal bike maintainer in here... and did
> expect a first response from you:) So.. details:
Anal? Moi?
> Would you leave the cables untouched or replace them based on age? You
> can't inspect these effectively.
Lube the cables annually. More often if riding in a lot of wet.
Get one of those pressure lubers & proper cable lube.
Inspection: pull both ends of the cable. Inspect for any fraying
or fatigue. The ends are where it will fail. Most likely at the
lever end.
> Would you go in and look at the clutch just for the hell of it?
If the bike has seen a lot of really hard clutch abuse, I'd pull the plates
and measure them. I don't think you fall in this category. Hard abuse
will result in temporary fading of the clutch (lever moves further &
further in toward the bars).
> KMA:)
Bend over & back up to your screen.
-Jeffrey Deeney- DoD#0498 NCTR UTMA BRC COHVCO AMA
'99 ATK 260LQ-Stink Wheels '94 XR650L-DreamSickle
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 1:12 am
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Lube them annually? and you call yourself anal. Lube them at least monthly.
"Jeff Deeney" <jeff_deeney DeleteThis @hp.removeme.com> wrote in message
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> "Mike W." <outofthe DeleteThis @emailbiz.com> wrote in message
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> > Now I *hear* you are the most anal bike maintainer in here... and did
> > expect a first response from you:) So.. details:
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> Anal? Moi?
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> > Would you leave the cables untouched or replace them based on age? You
> > can't inspect these effectively.
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> Lube the cables annually. More often if riding in a lot of wet.
> Get one of those pressure lubers & proper cable lube.
> Inspection: pull both ends of the cable. Inspect for any fraying
> or fatigue. The ends are where it will fail. Most likely at the
> lever end.
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> > Would you go in and look at the clutch just for the hell of it?
>
> If the bike has seen a lot of really hard clutch abuse, I'd pull the
plates
> and measure them. I don't think you fall in this category. Hard abuse
> will result in temporary fading of the clutch (lever moves further &
> further in toward the bars).
>
> > KMA:)
>
> Bend over & back up to your screen.
>
> -Jeffrey Deeney- DoD#0498 NCTR UTMA BRC COHVCO AMA
> '99 ATK 260LQ-Stink Wheels '94 XR650L-DreamSickle
> We don't stop riding because we get old, we get old because we stop
riding.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 1:12 am
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"Andy Mullins" <egnoramoose RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Lube them annually? and you call yourself anal. Lube them at least
monthly.
Maybe if you're riding several times a week. This is overkill for
most people. Certainly for me.
BTW, I like Tri-flow for cable lube.
-Jeffrey Deeney- ©2003 DoD#0498 NCTR UTMA BRC COHVCO AMA
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 2:32 am
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In article <Q5Vsb.9001$gY7.7643@news.cpqcorp.net>,
Jeff Deeney <jeff_deeney.DeleteThis@hp.removeme.com> wrote:
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>> Would you leave the cables untouched or replace them based on age? You
>> can't inspect these effectively.
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>Lube the cables annually. More often if riding in a lot of wet.
I don't lube the new teflon lined cables.
The lube just collect dirt and the dirt causes
more wear. I do lube the cable ends
though, unless they also have a plastic sleeve thingie
on them.
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