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Mark Denovich

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 10:00 pm
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I'm taking the month of July off for some motorcycle sport-touring on my
99' Triumph Daytona. I'm leaving from Pittsburgh, PA and I'm headed to
San Jose, CA. I'm budgeting about 6-8days each way, leaving me with a
week or two in between to spend with friends in CA.

Half of the trip is pretty lame... lotsa interstate miles between PA
and CO. But once I get there it should start to get interesting.
That's were I'd like some advice.

Current CO plan: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://denovich.org/gallery/Random/co?full=1" target="_blank">http://denovich.org/gallery/Random/co?full=1</a>

Leave I76 outside Denver, and take US34 to Rocky Mountain NP. Probably
camp in the park and head south on US40 -> I70 -> CO91 ->US 50 to
Montrose. This is the start of the Million Dollar Highway US550 to
Durango. I hear this should be an interesting ride.

Current AZ plan: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://denovich.org/gallery/Random/az?full=1" target="_blank">http://denovich.org/gallery/Random/az?full=1</a>

US160 from CO to the Grand Canyon (I've never seen it) AZ64 South to
I40.. with a detour on 66 from Seligman to Kingman. Not reflected on
this map is my desire to ride through Death Valley. I'm not sure what
the best approach is coming from Kingman. Any recommendations?

Did I pick decent roads? Any traffic nightmares to aviod? How cold
can I expect it to get at night or going over the mountains in CO? Any
other gotchas I should keep in mind?

I'm still working on the return trip plans...

Thanks,

  --Mark
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On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 21:00:17 GMT, Mark Denovich <foo.TakeThisOut@bar.com> wrote:

 >This is the start of the Million Dollar Highway US550 to
 >Durango. I hear this should be an interesting ride.

I highly recommend the Million Dollar Hwy. I did it in "90"
and enjoyed every minute. Great ride and scenery.

My rig along the way:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://home.earthlink.net/~pacific-coast/million.jpg" target="_blank">http://home.earthlink.net/~pacific-coast/million.jpg</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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<font color=purple> > Current CO plan: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://denovich.org/gallery/Random/co?full=1</font" target="_blank">http://denovich.org/gallery/Random/co?full=1</font</a>>
 >
 > Leave I76 outside Denver, and take US34 to Rocky Mountain NP. Probably
 > camp in the park and head south on US40 -> I70 -> CO91 ->US 50 to
 > Montrose. This is the start of the Million Dollar Highway US550 to
 > Durango. I hear this should be an interesting ride.>
  > --Mark
  > 99 Triumph Daytona
  > http://mark.denovich.org


I live in Denver and have ridden and camped all over Colorado on my
Yamaha FJ1100.

There are lots of good rides.........going every which way. The one
that you have laid out is a good one. You will see a lot of beautiful
country.

Try not to ride the high country of Rocky Mtn Park early in the morn,
there can be ice on the hiway. Snow melts during day, runs onto road,
then freezes at night.

Be slow and careful early AM and dusk.........there are a lot of deer,
all over the state.

Drink lots of water, even if you're not thirsty.....air here is dry,
and its soooo easy to get dehydrated. Drink a lot!!! Use sunscreen.

You'll have a great time. Good luck.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 10:03 pm
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Mark Denovich <foo.TakeThisOut@bar.com> wrote in
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<font color=purple> > Current AZ plan: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://denovich.org/gallery/Random/az?full=1</font" target="_blank">http://denovich.org/gallery/Random/az?full=1</font</a>>
 >
 > US160 from CO to the Grand Canyon (I've never seen it) AZ64 South
 > to I40.. with a detour on 66 from Seligman to Kingman. Not
 > reflected on this map is my desire to ride through Death Valley.
 > I'm not sure what the best approach is coming from Kingman. Any
 > recommendations?
 >
 > Did I pick decent roads? Any traffic nightmares to aviod? How
 > cold can I expect it to get at night or going over the mountains
 > in CO? Any other gotchas I should keep in mind?

Don't worry about the cold, you'll probably survive. It's VERY
doubtful you'll survive the heat in August as you approach the Colorado
River. Are you used to the temperatures you'll encounter? You might
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 10:06 pm
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On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 21:00:17 GMT, Mark Denovich <foo RemoveThis @bar.com> wrote:

[...]

<font color=purple> >Current AZ plan: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://denovich.org/gallery/Random/az?full=1</font" target="_blank">http://denovich.org/gallery/Random/az?full=1</font</a>>

 >US160 from CO to the Grand Canyon (I've never seen it) AZ64 South to
 >I40.. with a detour on 66 from Seligman to Kingman. Not reflected on
 >this map is my desire to ride through Death Valley. I'm not sure what
 >the best approach is coming from Kingman. Any recommendations?
 >
 >Did I pick decent roads?

Decent for a SPORT Touring adventure? No but at least you're doing the
Grand Canyon.

The thing is, most the decent roads in Arizona are South, but not much,
of your planned route. 191-(old 666 "Devils Highway/Coronado Trail)
between Alpine and Morenci, make's the "Dragon" look short, crowded and
grossly overblown. Or "Oak Creek Canyon/Sedona" south of Flagstaff (89a,
NOT 89), then over to Jerome and down "Mingus Mt. road" then "White
Spars" south of Prescott. You can even get back to your route
afterwards, via 93 just East of Kingman.



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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 10:29 pm
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On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 21:00:17 GMT, Mark Denovich <foo RemoveThis @bar.com> wrote:

 >I'm taking the month of July off for some motorcycle sport-touring on my
 >99' Triumph Daytona. I'm leaving from Pittsburgh, PA and I'm headed to
 >San Jose, CA. I'm budgeting about 6-8days each way, leaving me with a
 >week or two in between to spend with friends in CA.

<snip -- Colorado I don't know so well.>
 >
<font color=purple> >Current AZ plan: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://denovich.org/gallery/Random/az?full=1</font" target="_blank">http://denovich.org/gallery/Random/az?full=1</font</a>>
 >
 >US160 from CO to the Grand Canyon (I've never seen it) AZ64 South to
 >I40.. with a detour on 66 from Seligman to Kingman. Not reflected on
 >this map is my desire to ride through Death Valley. I'm not sure what
 >the best approach is coming from Kingman. Any recommendations?

I glanced at your link. I scrolled down slightly. I saw Needles,
Barstow, Death Valley. Hmm. I hope your motorcycle has very efficient
air conditioning. Ventilation alone is not enough. Come in July, and
you'll understand how it came to be named "Death Valley." Carry lots
of water, and fill up whenever you see gas available. I'd say carry a
cell phone, but I don't know how good the coverage is out there.
 >
 >Did I pick decent roads?

As far as AZ and as far west in California as your first link there
extends, you seem to have done OK. There are more interesting roads,
but you can't take very many of them in the time available.

 >Any traffic nightmares to aviod?

Southern CA west of about Riverside is a traffic nightmare to be
avoided.

 >How cold can I expect it to get at night or going over the mountains in CO?


 >Any other gotchas I should keep in mind?

The desert tends to be hot and dry in the summer time. Very, very
hot, and quite dry. That's why they call it the desert. That and the
fact that there isn't much there. Like places to cool off, or refill
with gas...

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 1:26 am
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 >From: Mark Denovich foo.RemoveThis@bar.com

 >US160 from CO

Trouble with looking at maps is that they don't tell you much about the
scenery, (or the climate, or the weather) you need a guidebook for that, and,
hopefully, some interest in geology, history or the natives inhabiting the
area. Otherwise, you're just chasing the horizon, and you'll never catch it, no
matter how you twist the throttle. You just pile miles on top of miles, get
home and highlite your collection of raggedy maps with yellow squiggles until
the maps fall apart.

Oh, maps do sometimes indicate "scenic" routes by running a series of dashes
along this or that numbered route, and you'd get the impression that US160 is
such a scenic route. Maybe, if you've never seen red rock formations, or
volcanic plugs, like Ship Rock (a sacred place in the Navajo creation myth)...

I ran 90~100 mph through there on my Yamaha...

I left the very worthwhile Mesa Verde N.P. (near Cortez, CO), where the Anasazi
built their stone dwellings under overhanging cliffs, stopped at Four Corners
N.M. to place my feet in Utah and Colorado, while I put one hand in Arizona and
the other hand in New Mexico, and raced through the Navajo Reservation as fast
as I dared on a hot 4th of July weekend several years ago. Not much to see
between the New Mexico Border until you get to the Painted Desert, while
watching your rear view mirrors for
the Navajo Tribal Police.

But a side trip to Monument Valley (Hollywood movie directors like John Ford
did not believe such a place existed, until shown photographs of it in the
1930's) and another side trip to Canyon de Chelly (you could take a 4WD trip up
the canyon which is the ancestral home of the Navajos) definitely changed my
perception of the region.

(Even so, I didn't learn much about the region until the second trip, on a
*bus* filled with tourists, escorted by a very knowledgeable guide who had been
a high school teacher. She kept us entertained, crossing the vast expanses of
empty, arid land, and introduced me to the writings of Tony Hillerman, via
Books on Tape.)

Even a ride around the rim of Canyon de Chelly, viewing White House Ruins and
Spider Rock is worth the effort.

There was a display in McDonalds in Kayenta, dedicated to the Navajo Code
Talkers (this was before the movie "Windtalkers" was made). There was a hungry
dog begging for scraps outside the restaurant, and a guy told me that he'd
rented a jeep to tour the area around Ouray, CO, but that it was so cloudy and
misty he couldn't see anything. About that time, we were baking in 100-degree
heat. After I rubbed some feeling back into my butt, I sprinted for Tuba City.

 >to the Grand Canyon (I've never seen it)

Approaching the GC from the east is a nice ride, you feel like you're getting
somewhere, and all of the viewpoints won't be so crowded as the ones near the
main entrance to the park. There will probably be 250,000 tourists around
Mather Point and the visitors center on the 4th of July weekend.

Did you ever think of visiting the North Rim, then heading out into Utah, to
visit Bryce Canyon and Zion N.P. and maybe tour a bit of Utah Hwy 12? That's a
truly scenic area. But I was torn between the performance of my sportbike and
the beauty of the region. The bike won.

 >AZ64 South to I40..

Ah, the tyranny of time, on the open road, drags you back to Earth from your
illusion of the "freedom of the road." Time is what you have, spend it wisely,
call ahead, get to a motel early, leave early and get on the road while it's
still cool.

Williams AZ is a tourist trap, for those unfortunates who can't get a motel
room at the South Rim or in Grand Canyon Village. Certain unscrupulous
operators of run-down motels will put out a "No Vacancy" sign until their chain
motel competitors put out their own "No Vacancy Signs". Then the flea-bag motel
operators will put a sign on their office door stating that motel rooms begin
at $100 or more.

You'd have more motel selection in Flagstaff. But always call for reservations
first.

There's a nice little loop just east of Hwy 89. It takes you past Sunset Crater
(12,000-ft Humphrey's Peak is right there) and Wupatki National Monument, where
the Sinagua Indians dry farmed the bottoms of
sandwashes and ravines that only get water twice a year.
You can walk around the ruins of their stone houses.

You could also head south on Alt 89, down through Oak Creek Canyon, a beautiful
winding scenic road down a oak tree-lined canyon , down through the red rock of
Sedona, through Jerome (an old western town restored through the efforts of
bikers) toward Prescott, and then turn northwest on Hwy 93 back toward your
Grand Canyons Caverns loop. While on I-40, it's wise to watch for cars coming
up fast behind you, the AZ state patrol has cars of all colors, then let a
faster car run "rabbit" for you.

You'll see a little town called Oatman, southwest of Kingman. That's another
little western town that draws a lot of bikers.

 >Not reflected on this map is my desire to ride through Death Valley.

Got a camelback and a still suit, like a Fremen, from Frank Herbert's "Dune"?
The season for Death Valley is October through May. The average temperature in
the shade (Ha! What shade?) on July 4th will be 120 degrees.

You might find Hwy 395, on the western side of the Sierra Nevada range quite a
bit cooler, and have scenic jagged mountains along your left side. Just watch
for California Highway Patrol cruisers.

There are a number of interesting places along the route, Mt. Whitney (highest
point in the lower 48 states, you can ride up to 8300 feet), Lone Pine,
Independence, Big Pine (Bristlecone Pines, oldest trees on Earth east of Big
Pine), Bishop, Mammoth Lakes, volcanoes along the road, June Lake, Mon Lake
with its sea gulls in the desert and its tufa towers and then take Tioga Pass
across the Sierras, down through Yosemite N.P. and over to San Jose.

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 4:39 am
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 >Leave I76 outside Denver, and take US34 to Rocky Mountain NP. Probably
 >camp in the park and head south on US40 -> I70 -> CO91 ->US 50 to
 >Montrose. This is the start of the Million Dollar Highway US550 to
 >Durango.

That will be a great ride, but I do have one variation that might suit your
fancy. After Leadville turn right on highway 82 and do Independence Pass,
through Aspen and then turn left at Carbondale, Hwy 133. Then go South to Hwy
92, left through Black Canyon Nat'l Monument, then right at Hwy 50 to Montrose.


Although Aspen can be crowded, it's an interesting place. Lots of money there,
all the local women are gorgeous (much of that beauty is from surgeons, you can
be sure) and cool stores. Boogie's Diner has a '53 or so Corvette once owned
by Elvis inside.

After turning left a Carbondale, the road gets great. Black Canyon is
beautiful, but can be bypassed if you're in a hurry.

Your chosen route is a good one too, so you can't miss either way. I've been
doing a summer tour here every year for 20 years, and traffic is a lot worse
than it was in the 80's, but that's the price of living in a beautiful state.

As for your AZ trip, it's gonna be hot. Even Durango can get hot. A friend of
mine went through the desert at 2 a.m. and it was still 104 degrees. Not
pleasant.

Mountain night time temps in CO won't be bad if you're not above 9,000 ft. or
so. We spent the night in Silverton at 9,300 ft. last year in mid-July, and
there was frost on the tents the next morning, but we stayed warm enough.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 5:53 am
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"Mark Denovich" <foo DeleteThis @bar.com> wrote in message
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 > I'm taking the month of July off for some motorcycle sport-touring on my
 > 99' Triumph Daytona. I'm leaving from Pittsburgh, PA and I'm headed to
 > San Jose, CA. I'm budgeting about 6-8days each way, leaving me with a
 > week or two in between to spend with friends in CA.
 >
 > Half of the trip is pretty lame... lotsa interstate miles between PA
 > and CO. But once I get there it should start to get interesting.
 > That's were I'd like some advice.
 >
<font color=purple> > Current CO plan: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://denovich.org/gallery/Random/co?full=1</font" target="_blank">http://denovich.org/gallery/Random/co?full=1</font</a>>
 >
 > Leave I76 outside Denver, and take US34 to Rocky Mountain NP. Probably
 > camp in the park and head south on US40 -> I70 -> CO91 ->US 50 to
 > Montrose. This is the start of the Million Dollar Highway US550 to
 > Durango. I hear this should be an interesting ride.
 >
<font color=purple> > Current AZ plan: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://denovich.org/gallery/Random/az?full=1</font" target="_blank">http://denovich.org/gallery/Random/az?full=1</font</a>>
 >
 > US160 from CO to the Grand Canyon (I've never seen it) AZ64 South to
 > I40.. with a detour on 66 from Seligman to Kingman. Not reflected on
 > this map is my desire to ride through Death Valley. I'm not sure what
 > the best approach is coming from Kingman. Any recommendations?
 >
 > Did I pick decent roads? Any traffic nightmares to aviod? How cold
 > can I expect it to get at night or going over the mountains in CO? Any
 > other gotchas I should keep in mind?
 >
 > I'm still working on the return trip plans...
 >
 > Thanks,
 >
 > --Mark
 > 99 Triumph Daytona
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://mark.denovich.org</font" target="_blank">http://mark.denovich.org</font</a>>
 >

When you get gas soak your clothes in water. Instant AC. Cheers and have a
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KHanawalt wrote:

 > That will be a great ride, but I do have one variation that might suit your
 > fancy. After Leadville turn right on highway 82 and do Independence Pass,
 > through Aspen and then turn left at Carbondale, Hwy 133. Then go South to Hwy
 > 92, left through Black Canyon Nat'l Monument, then right at Hwy 50 to Montrose.

Thanks for the tip. I just got off the phone with my best friend, who
recommended exactly the same thing. It's finally sinking in that state
roads in the west are a pretty valid way to get from A->B. I'm used to
state roads in PA meandering all over, being pretty well developed, or
being in terrible condition (often all three.)

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_Bob Nixon_ wrote:

 > Decent for a SPORT Touring adventure? No but at least you're doing the
 > Grand Canyon.
 >
 > The thing is, most the decent roads in Arizona are South, but not much,
 > of your planned route. 191-(old 666 "Devils Highway/Coronado Trail)
 > between Alpine and Morenci, make's the "Dragon" look short, crowded and
 > grossly overblown

I saw the good roads you mentioned on various websites when I was
researching that leg of the trip... and saw that most of them were well
out of the way. Maybe I'll save the Grand Canyon for another time.
My wife hasn't seen it either, and it's certainly worth spending some
time to explore. Considering that and the heat, I might stay north and
cut through Utah.

Thanks for the advice.

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Lee Carkenord wrote:

 > I live in Denver and have ridden and camped all over Colorado on my
 > Yamaha FJ1100.

Any advice on picking places to camp? I've been warned that
reservations might be necessary for many Nation Park campgrounds, and
with so many unknowns in my schedule that's tough to do. Are valid
camping spots pretty much limited to commercial campgrounds and NPs?

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 > Any advice on picking places to camp? I've been warned that
 > reservations might be necessary for many Nation Park campgrounds, and
 > with so many unknowns in my schedule that's tough to do. Are valid
 > camping spots pretty much limited to commercial campgrounds and NPs?
 >
 > --Mark


Options available for camping, besides the ones you mentioned, are:
Nat. Forest campgrounds, dispersed camping in Nat. Forests, BLM
campgrounds, dispersed camping on BLM land. That's 4 more options.
(The dispersed camping is free. Some BLM c/g's are free.)

As far as reservations go........National Parks mite require them,
esp. on weekends. There are many commercial c/g's........some are
pretty nice, and reasonable price, esp. as you get away from more
travelled hiways. For commercial, expect to pay from $12 to maybe $18
for a tentsite. KOA is abt the most expensive.
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Alan Moore wrote:

 > The desert tends to be hot and dry in the summer time. Very, very
 > hot, and quite dry. That's why they call it the desert. That and the
 > fact that there isn't much there. Like places to cool off, or refill
 > with gas...

Good points. I think I did not fully consider how severe the desert
temps can be. Well I knew it intellectually, but not from experience.
The kind of experience that learn the hard way. I think I might have
to go back to the maps and chart a more northerly route instead.

Thanks for advice... (XS11E Thank you too for the similar warning.)

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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 1:39 pm
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Mark Denovich wrote:
 >
 > Maybe I'll save the Grand Canyon for another time.
 > My wife hasn't seen it either, and it's certainly worth spending some
 > time to explore. Considering that and the heat, I might stay north and
 > cut through Utah.

It isn't a thorough treatment of high-temperature riding,
but this old reference comes really close:

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.visi.com/~dalebor/weather.htm" target="_blank">http://www.visi.com/~dalebor/weather.htm</a>

That is a site that deserves some work.
It has lots of advice, so likely some's worthwhile.

Convective cooling is valuably enhanced
and compounded by motion to the point that skin
and ambient temperature are equally high.
At 92 Fahrenheit, this effect takes over. Then
you start to lose ground by going faster. From
then on, you maintain your temperature by sweating.
As it is with convection, with evaporative cooling,
you get a good benefit from a breeze blowing on you.

Motion is good, but humidity is not.
Neither is radiation, the energy of the sun.
To say the least, the relationship's complex.
The National Weather Service simplifies their general-purpose
heat-index calculation by lopping off variables,
retaining just the temperature and humidity.
There are linear formulas I found to compute
when wind begins to work against you.
I'll play with these and put out a table.

Altitude and heat have like impacts on me:
lethargy, headache, and lack of judgment.
These conditions are insidious. You don't understand
you've succumbed until recovery is underway.
To avoid them, push fluids as a preventative measure.

In a car, I zoomed through Arizona and Colorado.

If you want to glimpse the Grand Canyon,
try the North Rim. Run in and out
through Jacob Lake, at the junction in the woods
of state route 67
and US route 89.
The North Rim's less populous, compared with the South.
It's slightly more humid but higher and cooler.
Its vistas are big enough to bend your mind.

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.... GL1000 Geraldine
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