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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:21 am
Post subject: Classical times
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In "Re: Need A Harley Davidson Part For Your Motorcycle?" Vito wrote:
>> Where do you get a good quality Harley Davidson Part? ....
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> You simply walk down the road shoulder til you find one that fell off
> sombody elses bike.<g>
What, has Harley Bashing Season started early this year? 
Why do I ride a Harley when I could get better performance from some
rice burning screamer? Because it's a funky machine that's fun to ride
with character a century old. (And chix like it).
Well, how many bikers here would jump at the chance to own
(or even take a ride on) a 1894 Hildebrand & Wolfmüller...
http://www.asl-testsite.co.uk/motors/drawing/Hildebrand-Wolfmuller-1896.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hildebrand-Wolfm%C3%BCller_1894.jpg
....even though its twin 1488 cc four stroke motor produces 2.5 hp
at 240 rpm with piston drive to the rear wheel like a locomotive.
That's what I call some funky action, even if it's 24 mph top speed
is not in the least practical for anything other than cruising
Beach Avenue to show off.
And if I could afford one I'd have one of those early bikes where
you could actually see the push rods pushing and the rocker arms
rocking. I like to see things working, not hidden away under sci-fi
styled plastic.
All that said, having paid my respects to Classical Times I still feel
an urge for adrenalin performance now and then... so maybe someday
I'll get an SV650, ugly though it may be.
ps. before someone steps in to remind me that HD's first production
v-twin came out less than a century ago (in 1909), at least one
pre-production one-off appeared in 1908. See:
http://www.harley-davidson-jakarta.com/history/gallery/article.php?id=9
Sean_Q_
'99 FLHTCUI SE3
'06 S40
'04 XV250
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:58 am
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"Sean" <no.spam RemoveThis @no.spam> wrote in message
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> In "Re: Need A Harley Davidson Part For Your Motorcycle?" Vito wrote:
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> >> Where do you get a good quality Harley Davidson Part? ....
> >
> > You simply walk down the road shoulder til you find one that fell off
> > sombody elses bike.<g>
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> What, has Harley Bashing Season started early this year?
>
> Why do I ride a Harley when I could get better performance from some
> rice burning screamer? Because it's a funky machine that's fun to ride
> with character a century old. (And chix like it).
>
> Well, how many bikers here would jump at the chance to own
> (or even take a ride on) a 1894 Hildebrand & Wolfmüller...
>
> http://www.asl-testsite.co.uk/motors/drawing/Hildebrand-Wolfmuller-1896.jpg
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hildebrand-Wolfm%C3%BCller_1894.jpg
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> ...even though its twin 1488 cc four stroke motor produces 2.5 hp
> at 240 rpm with piston drive to the rear wheel like a locomotive.
> That's what I call some funky action, even if it's 24 mph top speed
> is not in the least practical for anything other than cruising
> Beach Avenue to show off.
>
> And if I could afford one I'd have one of those early bikes where
> you could actually see the push rods pushing and the rocker arms
> rocking. I like to see things working, not hidden away under sci-fi
> styled plastic.
>
> All that said, having paid my respects to Classical Times I still feel
> an urge for adrenalin performance now and then... so maybe someday
> I'll get an SV650, ugly though it may be.
An SV650 is guaranteed to work as an adrenal gland removal tool.
I don't think the performance from 70 bhp is going to set anyone with an
adrenaline urge on fire without help from a gallon of gas and a match.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:58 am
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Beav wrote:
> An SV650 is guaranteed to work as an adrenal gland removal tool.
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> I don't think the performance from 70 bhp is going to set anyone with an
> adrenaline urge on fire without help from a gallon of gas and a match.
Strong words from someone riding a VN750... Your card is marked, Beav.
I admit the SV isn't a rocketship by any standard, but there's no
denying that they're still fun to ride.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:58 am
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On Jan 23, 7:08 am, Mark Olson <ols....TakeThisOut@tiny.invalid> wrote:
> Beav wrote:
> > An SV650 is guaranteed to work as an adrenal gland removal tool.
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> > I don't think the performance from 70 bhp is going to set anyone with an
> > adrenaline urge on fire without help from a gallon of gas and a match.
>
> Strong words from someone riding a VN750... Your card is marked, Beav.
A general rule of thumb in my bike-buying process over the past ten
years or so has been this: No streetbikes under 100 horsepower, no
streetbikes over 150 horsepower.
Cheers,
Tim Kreitz
2003 ZX7R
2004 ZRX1200R
DoD #2184
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:42 am
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Tim Kreitz wrote:
> A general rule of thumb in my bike-buying process over the past ten
> years or so has been this: No streetbikes under 100 horsepower, no
> streetbikes over 150 horsepower.
You're missing out on a large number of fun bikes by avoiding
bikes under 100 hp. But I never said the SV or any other bike
was the right bike for everybody. I do recommend keeping an
open mind and trying to ride as many bikes as you can. I rented
an Electra-Glide last Saturday and I enjoyed riding it, and I
would happily rent one again. I would never *buy* one, though.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:42 am
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"Mark Olson" <olsonm.DeleteThis@tiny.invalid> wrote in message
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> Tim Kreitz wrote:
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>> A general rule of thumb in my bike-buying process over the past ten
>> years or so has been this: No streetbikes under 100 horsepower, no
>> streetbikes over 150 horsepower.
>
> You're missing out on a large number of fun bikes by avoiding
> bikes under 100 hp. But I never said the SV or any other bike
> was the right bike for everybody. I do recommend keeping an
> open mind and trying to ride as many bikes as you can. I rented
> an Electra-Glide last Saturday and I enjoyed riding it, and I
> would happily rent one again. I would never *buy* one, though.
>
> --
While hp is clearly important, the power to weight ratio is even more
important. 100 hp isn't enough on a 900 lb bike, but it will make a 450 lb
bike simply scream in delight. >> Stay informed about: Classical times |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:14 pm
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On Jan 23, 1:14 pm, totallydeadmail....TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
Gentleman) wrote:
> That's actually rather good.
Thanks. It works for me. Prior to 1998 or so, I had a handful of
different streetbikes ranging from a two-stroke 125 to a 250 single.
They were all great in their own way, but I come from a long line of
bonafide Kawasaki freaks (my uncle had a Mach III, Z1, and LTD 750)
and that muscle mentality followed me into adulthood.
That said, I've ridden the ZX12R, a Hayabusa, and a few others in that
genre, and never really felt the need for 'ludicrous' power. My
ZRX1200R puts 123 HP to the ground, and that's plenty for both grin
and pucker. Of course, the almost 92 foot-pounds of torque shouldn't
be understated.
Cheers,
Tim Kreitz
2003 ZX7R
2004 ZRX1200R
DoD #2184
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:58 pm
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"Beav" <beavis.original DeleteThis @ntlwoxorld.com> wrote
>> All that said, having paid my respects to Classical Times I still feel
>> an urge for adrenalin performance now and then... so maybe someday
>> I'll get an SV650, ugly though it may be.
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> An SV650 is guaranteed to work as an adrenal gland removal tool.
>
> I don't think the performance from 70 bhp is going to set anyone with an
> adrenaline urge on fire without help from a gallon of gas and a match.
True only so long as you define "performance" as being strictly
straight-line acceleration. And as it happens, many of us prefer the balance
of a Lotus 23 to the raw power of a double-A fueler. >> Stay informed about: Classical times |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:51 pm
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On Jan 23, 2:19�pm, totallydeadmail... RemoveThis @yahoo.co.uk (The Older
Gentleman) wrote:
> Probably not general knowledge here, but I was a full-time bike hack in
> the UK bike press for many years, through the 1980s. I rode just about
> everything produced then
TOG was thought to be Fat Boehm's siamese twin. They were connected in
an obscene manner at birth, but doctors finally separated them with a
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:32 pm
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Tim Kreitz <timkreitz.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> No streetbikes under 100 horsepower, no
> streetbikes over 150 horsepower.
That's actually rather good.
Some low-powered bikes are still fun, though.
I must admit my 67bhp Ducati is no fireball, but OTOH it is the most
enjoyable bike I've owned in over 30 years of riding. It's also been
the longest in my possession.
The previous record holder was my RD350 power-valve. The fact that in
terms of size, weight, and even riding position the two bikes are
near-identical is, I think, no coincidence.
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GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3
BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:32 pm
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Tim Kreitz <timkreitz.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> hanks. It works for me. Prior to 1998 or so, I had a handful of
> different streetbikes ranging from a two-stroke 125 to a 250 single.
> They were all great in their own way, but I come from a long line of
> bonafide Kawasaki freaks (my uncle had a Mach III, Z1, and LTD 750)
> and that muscle mentality followed me into adulthood.
>
> That said, I've ridden the ZX12R, a Hayabusa, and a few others in that
> genre, and never really felt the need for 'ludicrous' power. My
> ZRX1200R puts 123 HP to the ground, and that's plenty for both grin
> and pucker. Of course, the almost 92 foot-pounds of torque shouldn't
> be understated.
This is almost exactly how I feel.
Probably not general knowledge here, but I was a full-time bike hack in
the UK bike press for many years, through the 1980s. I rode just about
everything produced then
I've ridden modern hyperbikes, and loved them, but my own personal
riding style and needs mean I'll never buy one. Well, I *could* be
tempted by a ZX10R....
I loved the ZRX1200R too. Like you, I thought the torque wonderful.
Throttle response is so important, which is why I love my Ducati.
These days, I treasure the feel, the character, the spirit of a machine.
My Duke: I can rest my fingertips on the clutch lever and actually feel
the power pulses through them. How good is that?
My K - I have ridden very, very few machines, of any vintage, which
devour miles so comfortably and effortlessly. Some of the ones I can
name are also BMWs. And my K is 15 years old.
My Honda 400 Four: small, compact, visceral, beautifully proportioned,
and still stands up well in modern traffic. And it's 30 years old.
Power is nice. Power is wonderful. But power isn't everything.
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K1100LT 750SS CB400F SL125
GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3
BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:53 am
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On Jan 23, 2:19�pm, totallydeadmail... RemoveThis @yahoo.co.uk (The Older
Gentleman) wrote:
> My Honda 400 Four: small, compact, visceral, beautifully proportioned,
> and still stands up well in modern traffic. And it's 30 years old.
I'll bet your mates get a hearty laugh when you ride up with the Honda
stuck up your
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:25 am
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"Seth Hammond" <lesliesethhammond.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote
> While hp is clearly important, the power to weight ratio is even more
> important. 100 hp isn't enough on a 900 lb bike, but it will make a 450
> lb bike simply scream in delight. ......
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..... and a 200 lb bike simply scream! >> Stay informed about: Classical times |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:39 am
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On 24 Jan, 14:53, "ЖдЙжЛиЛФЦфЩ" <Rhiann....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 23, 2:19�pm, totallydeadmail....DeleteThis@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
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> Gentleman) wrote:
> > My Honda 400 Four: small, compact, visceral, beautifully proportioned,
> > and still stands up well in modern traffic. And it's 30 years old.
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> I'll bet your mates get a hearty laugh when you ride up with the Honda
> stuck up your
> fat arse like a pocket bike.
'Tis true, I'm on the portly side. And you are unpleasant and stupid.
I can go on a diet. What's your solution? Charm school and a
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:58 am
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On Jan 24, 8:39�am, "TOG@Toil" <totallydeadmail....RemoveThis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 'Tis true, I'm on the portly side. And you are unpleasant and stupid.
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> I can go on a diet.
You won't. Like fatsos everywhere, you'll take your avoirdupois to the
abbatoir. You'll be buried in your best soccer jersey, the one made by
Omar the Tentmaker.
> What's your solution? Charm school and a
> correspondence course?
I exist to seize the day and please myself. It pleases me to point out
your obesity
and the absurdity of your appearance on a CB400F.
You wouldn't happen to have any pictures of yourself with the Honda
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