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C.Deggs

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 1:37 pm
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I thought this one was a bit boring.

Top spot was evident from the start. Surprised a bit by Hopkins, in that he
did not fade and put in some quick laps. Hayden rode alone most of the
race.

Rossi blamed a bit on the tires, which I think is a stretch considering that
Hayden and Pedrosa both did better on Michelins. I think he might just be a
bit distracted by some of the Italian press comments.

I thought this was one of the least exciting races of the year. However,
Stoner is doing the job not unlike a young Valentino did with Honda early
on.

Opinions on when Stoner will wrap up the championship?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 1:37 pm
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C.Deggs wrote:
> I thought this one was a bit boring.
>
> Top spot was evident from the start. Surprised a bit by Hopkins, in that he
> did not fade and put in some quick laps. Hayden rode alone most of the
> race.
>
> Rossi blamed a bit on the tires, which I think is a stretch considering that
> Hayden and Pedrosa both did better on Michelins. I think he might just be a
> bit distracted by some of the Italian press comments.

In retrospect, one of the most predictable races of the year. The
situation seems to be that Bridgestone has Michelin covered at most
tracks, with the new tire rule perhaps occasionally giving Michelin an
edge, given the call in preselection of tires. Beyond that, the
rider/bike combinations are the determining factor, and right now Stoner
has the fastest bike that also matches up perfectly with his riding
style, so his job is relatively easy. Hopkins' bike isn't quite as good,
so he has to push harder, and sometimes get beat by Michelins runners.
So far this year on dry races Stoner has been top Bridgestone 7 out of
10 times, having been beaten by one spot by Elias at Jerez and Barros at
Mugello, and by 3 spots by Capirossi in Germany. Hopkins has followed
Stoner home among Bridgestone runners 5 times and had good prospects the
two times he crashed out, leading his side at Jerez. The only times he's
been beaten by a Bridgestone guy who didn't also beat Stoner was by
Melandri by one spot in Turkey and Germany.

Melandri has had to deal with the Honda problems, late delivery of
solutions, and now his injuries. Capirossi doesn't make for a good match
with the new Ducati and we don't know what might be slowing him
otherwise, but today was quite typical. Vermeulen is good sometimes (in
the wet, at tracks he raced on in WSB), not so good sometimes, and
unlucky sometimes. The rest of the Bridgestone guys just aren't real
contenders.

On the Michelin side, it seems Honda has made progress in fixing their
bike, and they have seemed to find a few answers for Hayden's unique
problems (i.e., riding Pedrosa's bike). So Hayden now has just enough to
finish on the box consistently (shades of last year), can compete
consistently with the top Michelin guys, Rossi and Pedrosa, and is
starting to cast real doubt on the notion that Pedrosa is Honda's best
rider. Rossi has nothing that gives him an edge anymore, particularly in
the tire area, so looks surprisingly ordinary much of the time. His
bike's main lacking is peak power, and he hasn't had many complaints
beyond that, so it really comes down to tires and his
abilities/motivation, it seems. Today he seemed to be lacking something,
getting beaten by Hayden by nearly 10 seconds.

> I thought this was one of the least exciting races of the year. However,
> Stoner is doing the job not unlike a young Valentino did with Honda early
> on.

Yep, Stoner appears to have the same kind of advantages going for him
that made Rossi unbeatable in his early days in MotoGP.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 1:37 pm
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"C.Deggs" <C.removethis.deggs.RemoveThis@heathrowsp.com> wrote in message
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> Opinions on when Stoner will wrap up the championship?

Very soon now, I would think, even though of course everything is possible
in racing.

But his momentum and dominance just seems too marked now to fade as
strongly. he could have chosen to ride for points - his lead is sufficient
for him to start coming in second and third and fourth and still win the
ultimate prize. Stoner, Ducati and Bridgestone just have that magic
chemistry together right now. It just looks too easy, and it's obvious it's
not just the material, otherwise Capirossi would be right in there.

And this was a key win - the others now probably have given up after yet
another display of utter dominance coming back from the summer break.

Excellent races by Hopkins and Hayden. It's good to see Hayden back where he
belongs.

....pablo
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:45 pm
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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:19:01 GMT, "C.Deggs"
<C.removethis.deggs.DeleteThis@heathrowsp.com> wrote:

>Rossi blamed a bit on the tires, which I think is a stretch considering that
>Hayden and Pedrosa both did better on Michelins. I think he might just be a
>bit distracted by some of the Italian press comments.

Rossi looks decidedly Human this year without his overnight specials
from Michelin. He's still probably the best rider on the grid, though
perhaps not part of the best "package" anymore.

I do hope they loosen up the tire rules just a bit next year. I don't
see why they can't have unlimited tires on the first practice day and
then declare their selection at the end of the day. Still eliminates
the overnight one-offs but gives them a practical chance to properly
evaluate the tires for the conditions, especially when the variables
have changed significantly like a new track surface or something minor
like, oh, a switch from 990cc to 800cc bikes.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:38 pm
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In article <olvhc3p28btbj7ukquo1go4lhv37dsduji.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>, Dave <no1.TakeThisOut@home.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:19:01 GMT, "C.Deggs"
> <C.removethis.deggs.TakeThisOut@heathrowsp.com> wrote:
>
> >Rossi blamed a bit on the tires, which I think is a stretch considering that
> >Hayden and Pedrosa both did better on Michelins. I think he might just be a
> >bit distracted by some of the Italian press comments.
>
> Rossi looks decidedly Human this year without his overnight specials
> from Michelin. He's still probably the best rider on the grid, though
> perhaps not part of the best "package" anymore.
>
> I do hope they loosen up the tire rules just a bit next year. I don't
> see why they can't have unlimited tires on the first practice day and
> then declare their selection at the end of the day. Still eliminates
> the overnight one-offs but gives them a practical chance to properly
> evaluate the tires for the conditions, especially when the variables
> have changed significantly like a new track surface or something minor
> like, oh, a switch from 990cc to 800cc bikes.

They're being ultra-generous and giving them one additional front and two rears
for the next race at Misano.

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=29970

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:20 am
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pablo <pabloAT.TakeThisOut@simplyhombreDOT.net> Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:07:20
>But his momentum and dominance just seems too marked now to fade as
>strongly. he could have chosen to ride for points - his lead is sufficient
>for him to start coming in second and third and fourth and still win the
>ultimate prize.

Except there's Doohan's record of 11 wins in a season to shoot for. And
being World Champ at Philip Island.

>Excellent races by Hopkins and Hayden. It's good to see Hayden back where he
>belongs.

Beating his team mate quite convincingly.

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:29 pm
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"C.Deggs" <C.removethis.deggs DeleteThis @heathrowsp.com> wrote in message
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> Opinions on when Stoner will wrap up the championship?

After hearing the British Eurosport guys going on about how on Friday and
Saturday the Michelin teams looks like they've given up and Jeremy Burgess
says he's only concerned with building a bike for next year, pretty darn
soon!
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:22 am
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i dont get michelin...it's like the forgot how to make tires or
bridgestone has stolen all of their race engineering/production
expertise.

it's odd, and the michelin brand is taking a beating.

w



On Aug 20, 5:29 pm, "just bob" <kilbyfan@aoldotcom> wrote:
> After hearing the British Eurosport guys going on about how on Friday and
> Saturday the Michelin teams looks like they've given up and Jeremy Burgess
> says he's only concerned with building a bike for next year, pretty darn
> soon!
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:43 am
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<wamanning DeleteThis @email.com> wrote in message
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>i dont get michelin...it's like the forgot how to make tires or
> bridgestone has stolen all of their race engineering/production
> expertise.
>
> it's odd, and the michelin brand is taking a beating.

Jeremy McWilliams(sp?) was asked just that on the broadcast and said the
level of commitment from Bridgestone is higher. He said Michelin is a great
company but they have not matched the resource commitment from Bridgestone.
Over the season it's also been said that now that Bridgestone has a monopoly
in F1 they can concentrate more resources on MotoGP.
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