Breaking on slippery road without locking the wheels

In article <5plkq7Fro119U1 RemoveThis @mid.individual.net>,
Konrad Viltersten <tmp1 RemoveThis @viltersten.com> wrote:

> Timberwoof skrev:
> > In article <5pkbprFrokbiU2 RemoveThis @mid.individual.net>,
> > Konrad Viltersten <tmp1 RemoveThis @viltersten.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Timberwoof skrev:
> >>> In article <5pi90jFra33tU1 RemoveThis @mid.individual.net>,
> >>> Konrad Viltersten <tmp1 RemoveThis @viltersten.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Timberwoof skrev:
> >>>>> In article <5phbi4Fr8qdaU1 RemoveThis @mid.individual.net>,
> >>>>> Konrad Viltersten <tmp1 RemoveThis @viltersten.com> wrote:
> >>>> I went into an office few weeks ago and got hired as a
> >>>> programmer with no problems at all. Will be starting the
> >>>> new job in december, hehe.
> >>> There's a difference between computer science and software engineering.
> >>> As a QA engineer, it is my job to haunt you to the end of your days.
> >>> }: )
> >>>
> >> QA? Questions & Answers? Don't get it...
> >
> > Quality Assurance. Qualitätversicherung Engineur.
> >
>
> Just of pure curiosity - what's the basic difference
> between those two?

Q&A is a kind of meeting between some people and, generally, an expert
in some field. The people get to ask questions and the experts get to
answer. One such meeting is chronicled in the Crash Test Dummies song
"God Shuffled His Feet". QA means Quality Assurance; it is a class of
methods for independently testing a product, typically software, as well
as determining and documenting the process by which the product is made.
"Qualitätversicherung Engineur" is a German who does Quality Assurance.

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It's easy to say a war is so important your neighbor should go fight it for you.
 >> Stay informed about: Breaking on slippery road without locking the wheels 

On Nov 9, 7:51 pm, ~ <Rhiann....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 9, 4:43?pm, Konrad Viltersten <t....TakeThisOut@viltersten.com> wrote:
>
> > I suspect i'm not only drunk. I might be high ad well sp the
> > love for all alive flows in my vains right now but still, i
> > only asked for a breaking advice. I can't understand how
> > words like bitch, queer and ass get into that information...
>
> Anything you post to alt.motorcycles gets cross-posted to
> rec.motorcycles where
> they make a game out of flaming new riders.
>
> Bike Guy Joe seems to hang out in alt.motorcycles just to jump into
> every thread, whether he knows the answer or not.

Yeah kinda like you other trolls....except I do offer advice and help.
I just think it's sad that trolls have to (in their minds) ruin a
good thread.

Peace to all.
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"Bike Guy Joe" <jetstarblue.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 8, 11:21 am, "Albrecht via MotorcycleKB.com" <u33665@uwe>
> wrote:
>> Timberwoof wrote:
>> >Oh, you hurt my feelings so bad. Okay, you win this pissing contest.
>>
>> But you like golden showers. That's on your check list of "must try"
>> deviant
>> behavior.
>>
>> What about drinking urine? Have you tried that yet?
>>
>> --
>> Message posted via
>> MotorcycleKB.comhttp://www.motorcyclekb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/bike/200711/1
>
> You are a true coward allbitch.
> I know you'll have some witty retort to futher show you ignorance.

You're obviously reading something in Albrecht's posts that few others have
seen. Witty you say? I'd like a cite please


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Beav

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On Nov 13, 3:28 pm, "Beav" <beavis.origi....RemoveThis@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
> "Bike Guy Joe" <jetstarb....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1194610349.905438.263120@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 8, 11:21 am, "Albrecht via MotorcycleKB.com" <u33665@uwe>
> > wrote:
> >> Timberwoof wrote:
> >> >Oh, you hurt my feelings so bad. Okay, you win this pissing contest.
>
> >> But you like golden showers. That's on your check list of "must try"
> >> deviant
> >> behavior.
>
> >> What about drinking urine? Have you tried that yet?
>
> >> --
> >> Message posted via
> >> MotorcycleKB.comhttp://www.motorcyclekb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/bike/200711/1
>
> > You are a true coward allbitch.
> > I know you'll have some witty retort to futher show you ignorance.
>
> You're obviously reading something in Albrecht's posts that few others have
> seen. Witty you say? I'd like a cite please
>
> --
> Beav
>
> VN 750
> Zed 1000
> OMF# 19- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yeah, you are right, nothing witty about him.

Ignorant, self loathing, and arrogant, yes.
Strangely curious about TW's "proclivities"....and a little jealous I
suspect. Yes.
Witty? No.
 >> Stay informed about: Breaking on slippery road without locking the wheels 

Engine braking or wheel braking , it all gets channeled through the tires
traction .Remember the engine will only brake the rear wheel . wheel braking
employs front and rear brakes . my 2cents
"Konrad Viltersten" <tmp1.RemoveThis@viltersten.com> wrote in message
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> I'm wondering if it's a good idea to engine brake
> if it's slipper on the road. The way i'm reasoning,
> the wheels shouldn't loose traction since the
> slowing down force is not applied by rubbing the
> tires on the pavement but rather "somebody" pulling
> you back. That "somebody" being of course the
> engine momentum being kept up.
>
> What do the experts say?
>
> Konrad
 >> Stay informed about: Breaking on slippery road without locking the wheels 

George wrote:
> Engine braking or wheel braking , it all gets channeled through the
> tires traction .Remember the engine will only brake the rear wheel .
> wheel braking employs front and rear brakes . my 2cents
> "Konrad Viltersten" <tmp1 RemoveThis @viltersten.com> wrote in message
> news:5pcvt8Fq34eqU1@mid.individual.net...

The difference would be, engine breaking will never cause the rear wheel
to lock up.

Then again, slipper clutches are only getting more popular, so maybe
engine breaking isn't so good.
 >> Stay informed about: Breaking on slippery road without locking the wheels 

On Dec 21, 3:30 pm, timeOday <timeOday-UNS....DeleteThis@theknack.net> wrote:
> George wrote:
> > Engine braking or wheel braking , it all gets channeled through the
> > tires traction .Remember the engine will only brake the rear wheel .
> > wheel braking employs front and rear brakes . my 2cents
> > "Konrad Viltersten" <t....DeleteThis@viltersten.com> wrote in message
> >news:5pcvt8Fq34eqU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> The difference would be, engine breaking will never cause the rear wheel
> to lock up.

On a wet downhill, drop down a gear and with the
engine at low RPMs, pop the clutch. Report back
on the results.

All you need is a wheel turning at the wrong speed.
It doesn't have to lock up completely. Overly aggressive
engine braking can still bring the rear end around on you.
 >> Stay informed about: Breaking on slippery road without locking the wheels 

On Dec 21, 3:30�pm, timeOday <timeOday-UNS....RemoveThis@theknack.net> wrote:

> Then again, slipper clutches are only getting more popular, so maybe
> engine breaking isn't so good.

The purpose of a slipper clutch is to increase rear wheel traction by
allowing the rear suspension system to work over rough surfaces when
you roll off the throttle.

Motorcycle racers use rain tires with incredible wet pavement grip
when they race in the wet.

Even dry pavement tires work better in the wet since silica has been
added to the rubber compound.
 >> Stay informed about: Breaking on slippery road without locking the wheels 

5pcvt8Fq34eqU1.DeleteThis@mid.individual.net...
>
> The difference would be, engine breaking will never cause the rear wheel
> to lock up.

Not all the time. My CX can easily lock up the rear. Do not know if it
applies to all bikes without chain.

> Then again, slipper clutches are only getting more popular, so maybe
> engine breaking isn't so good.
 >> Stay informed about: Breaking on slippery road without locking the wheels 

"Rob Kleinschmidt" <Rkleinsch1216128.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 21, 3:30 pm, timeOday <timeOday-UNS....RemoveThis@theknack.net> wrote:
> George wrote:
> > Engine braking or wheel braking , it all gets channeled through the
> > tires traction .Remember the engine will only brake the rear wheel .
> > wheel braking employs front and rear brakes . my 2cents
> > "Konrad Viltersten" <t....RemoveThis@viltersten.com> wrote in message
> >news:5pcvt8Fq34eqU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> The difference would be, engine breaking will never cause the rear wheel
> to lock up.

On a wet downhill, drop down a gear and with the
engine at low RPMs, pop the clutch. Report back
on the results.

All you need is a wheel turning at the wrong speed.
It doesn't have to lock up completely. Overly aggressive
engine braking can still bring the rear end around on you.

The 80 EVO engine will skid a tire on a downshift on dry pavement in lower
gears if you downshift too soon. Done it a few times this summer.

Robert
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"timeOday" <timeOday-UNSPAM.DeleteThis@theknack.net> wrote

> The difference would be, engine breaking will never cause the rear wheel
> to lock up.
>
> Then again, slipper clutches are only getting more popular, so maybe
> engine breaking isn't so good.

Wrong and wrong.

Engine braking will easily "effectively" lock up the rear.........that is,
cause it to lose (almost) all traction. This is especially true on a
slippery surface.

Also, you (and a lot of other people it appears) don't understand the
operation of a "slipper clutch". It is designed to keep you from
over-engine-braking in normal, dry high traction situations. The threshold
of the "slip" is high enough that it will have absolutely NO effect in low
traction situations.
 >> Stay informed about: Breaking on slippery road without locking the wheels 

I would use a combo of engine braking and rear brake if I was in this
situation.


"George" <backlater2 DeleteThis @telus.net> wrote in message
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> Engine braking or wheel braking , it all gets channeled through the tires
> traction .Remember the engine will only brake the rear wheel . wheel
> braking employs front and rear brakes . my 2cents
> "Konrad Viltersten" <tmp1 DeleteThis @viltersten.com> wrote in message
> news:5pcvt8Fq34eqU1@mid.individual.net...
>> I'm wondering if it's a good idea to engine brake
>> if it's slipper on the road. The way i'm reasoning,
>> the wheels shouldn't loose traction since the
>> slowing down force is not applied by rubbing the
>> tires on the pavement but rather "somebody" pulling
>> you back. That "somebody" being of course the
>> engine momentum being kept up.
>>
>> What do the experts say?
>>
>> Konrad
>
 >> Stay informed about: Breaking on slippery road without locking the wheels 

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:19:53 +0100, Konrad Viltersten
<tmp1 RemoveThis @viltersten.com> wrote:


>
>Got it. However, that's never an issue. When i'm
>heading for work, there are no cars on the road.
>
>Konrad

OK, I'm going to change my route and take whatever road you use to get
to work from now on! I've been nusing I-275 into Tampa, lots and lots
of traffic!

John
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