Breaking in an engine

JD wrote:

 > I am sure this has probably been hashed and rehashed but....do I do a hard
 > break in or a "follow the manual" break in? I expect to get a DL650
 > tomorrow! I have read that web page about a hard break in and it seems
 > very tempting, does anyone have personal experience either negative or
 > positive after doing it that way?
 >
 >
 > Thanks

Do what the manufacturer recommends. You and your bike will be the better
for it.
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JD wrote:
 >
 > I am sure this has probably been hashed and rehashed but....do I do a hard
 > break in or a "follow the manual" break in? I expect to get a DL650
 > tomorrow! I have read that web page about a hard break in and it seems very
 > tempting, does anyone have personal experience either negative or positive
 > after doing it that way?
 >
 > Thanks


you should always follow the manual's instructions on everything,
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vince garcia <vggarciaXX.DeleteThis@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<4088FF47.1D99.DeleteThis@ix.netcom.com>...
 > JD wrote:
  > >
  > > I am sure this has probably been hashed and rehashed but....do I do a hard
  > > break in or a "follow the manual" break in? I expect to get a DL650
  > > tomorrow! I have read that web page about a hard break in and it seems very
  > > tempting, does anyone have personal experience either negative or positive
  > > after doing it that way?
  > >
  > > Thanks
 >
 >
 > you should always follow the manual's instructions on everything,
 > including the oil and spark plug recommendations. Just my .02

Oh yeah? Do you follow the manual's instructions on recommended shift
points, too?

There are factors other than technical knowledge that influence what
gets written in owners' manuals.

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"JD" <forsaleatroadwormdotcom RemoveThis @readthefirstpart.com> wrote in message
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 > I am sure this has probably been hashed and rehashed but....do I do a hard
 > break in or a "follow the manual" break in? I expect to get a DL650
 > tomorrow! I have read that web page about a hard break in and it seems
very
 > tempting, does anyone have personal experience either negative or positive
 > after doing it that way?
 >
 >
 > Thanks


Not sure which hard break in web page you're referring to, but the Cycle
Doctor on 2wf.com talks a bit about it. His involves changing the oil
often. Second question on this page: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://tinyurl.com/2dxg6" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/2dxg6</a>
I'm currently breaking my bike in using the manual's recommendations, as
boring as that is. I'm scared to try this method myself, but if you do let
me know how it goes!

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i did the hard break in on my 03 v-max and it worked ok for me. m.o.f.
, buddy did slow break in on his v-max and my max will out run his .
in addition, my max gets better mpg than his .. g-luck with your bike
and ride safe..

=========original messase========
do a hard break in or a "follow the manual" break in? I have read that
web page about a hard break in and it seems very tempting, does anyone
have personal experience either negative or positive after doing it that
way?
Thanks

.............................
Motorpsycho Jim
http://forums.delphiforums.com/V_MaxRiders
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vince garcia <vggarciaXX DeleteThis @ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<4088FF47.1D99 DeleteThis @ix.netcom.com>...
 > JD wrote:
  > >
  > > I am sure this has probably been hashed and rehashed but....do I do a hard
  > > break in or a "follow the manual" break in? I expect to get a DL650
  > > tomorrow! I have read that web page about a hard break in and it seems very
  > > tempting, does anyone have personal experience either negative or positive
  > > after doing it that way?
  > >
  > > Thanks
 >
 >
 > you should always follow the manual's instructions on everything,
 > including the oil and spark plug recommendations. Just my .02


I respectully disagree. Most of that
"revs-must-be-limited-for-600-miles" nonsense is there for liability
reasons and little else. A motorcycle engine breaks-in within the
first 50 miles, if done properly.

When I bought my 2000 ZX-6R in December of '99, I was amused to read
that max recommended RPM for the first 600 miles was 4k -- less than
1/3 of the usable rev range. Riding at highway speeds during the
so-called "break-in" period would've been impossible had I obeyed the
manual.

More to the point, the first thing the factory does to a new bike
after it is assembled is run it to redline. They don't seem to be
concerned with damaging the engine, considering their test procedures.

Someone has to post it, so here goes:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm" target="_blank">http://mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm</a>

I've broken all my bikes in almost exactly as this article recommends
over the last 10 or 12 years and have had only positive results. The
only thing I would add to the above link is that heating/cooling
cycles are also important. Go ride until the bike is up to
temperature, then go home and park it until it cools down again. Do
this repeatedly for the first 50 to 100 miles, combine it with what
Motoman recommends in the article, and your engine is broken-in.

My 1992 ZX600R had in the neighborhood of 120,000 miles on it when I
sold it, and was still running like a champ with only the top end
having been rebuilt.

Cheers,

Tim Kreitz
2003 ZX7R
2000 ZX6R
DoD #2184
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JD wrote:
 > I am sure this has probably been hashed and rehashed but....do I do a hard
 > break in or a "follow the manual" break in? I expect to get a DL650
 > tomorrow! I have read that web page about a hard break in and it seems very
 > tempting, does anyone have personal experience either negative or positive
 > after doing it that way?

I've always been curious as to why someone would want to knowingly go
against what the manufacturer recommends for the product they designed
and built? What makes people think that web page anecdotes are more
credible than the people that make the machine?

I'd say if you don't care about how long your engine lasts, then break
it in anyway you want. If you'd like to have your engine last a good
long time and keep your warranty intact, then follow the engine
manufacturer's recommendations.


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Gniewko wrote:
 > vince garcia <vggarciaXX DeleteThis @ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<4088FF47.1D99 DeleteThis @ix.netcom.com>...
 >
  >>JD wrote:
  >>
   >>>I am sure this has probably been hashed and rehashed but....do I do a hard
   >>>break in or a "follow the manual" break in? I expect to get a DL650
   >>>tomorrow! I have read that web page about a hard break in and it seems very
   >>>tempting, does anyone have personal experience either negative or positive
   >>>after doing it that way?
   >>>
   >>>Thanks
  >>
  >>
  >>you should always follow the manual's instructions on everything,
  >>including the oil and spark plug recommendations. Just my .02
 >
 >
 > Oh yeah? Do you follow the manual's instructions on recommended shift
 > points, too?

My manual only gave recommended shift points for maximum economy.
Otherwise, stay below redline is all it said.


 > There are factors other than technical knowledge that influence what
 > gets written in owners' manuals.

True. And what factors would cause a manufacturer to knowingly provide
a poor break-in procedure?


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Tim Kreitz wrote:
 > vince garcia <vggarciaXX.TakeThisOut@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<4088FF47.1D99.TakeThisOut@ix.netcom.com>...
 >
  >>JD wrote:
  >>
   >>>I am sure this has probably been hashed and rehashed but....do I do a hard
   >>>break in or a "follow the manual" break in? I expect to get a DL650
   >>>tomorrow! I have read that web page about a hard break in and it seems very
   >>>tempting, does anyone have personal experience either negative or positive
   >>>after doing it that way?
   >>>
   >>>Thanks
  >>
  >>
  >>you should always follow the manual's instructions on everything,
  >>including the oil and spark plug recommendations. Just my .02
 >
 >
 >
 > I respectully disagree. Most of that
 > "revs-must-be-limited-for-600-miles" nonsense is there for liability
 > reasons and little else. A motorcycle engine breaks-in within the
 > first 50 miles, if done properly.

Baloney. Tell us how the liability all of the sudden magically changes
at 600 miles?


 > When I bought my 2000 ZX-6R in December of '99, I was amused to read
 > that max recommended RPM for the first 600 miles was 4k -- less than
 > 1/3 of the usable rev range. Riding at highway speeds during the
 > so-called "break-in" period would've been impossible had I obeyed the
 > manual.
 >
 > More to the point, the first thing the factory does to a new bike
 > after it is assembled is run it to redline. They don't seem to be
 > concerned with damaging the engine, considering their test procedures.

What evidence do you have that this is what happens?


 > Someone has to post it, so here goes:
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm</font" target="_blank">http://mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm</font</a>>
 >
 > I've broken all my bikes in almost exactly as this article recommends
 > over the last 10 or 12 years and have had only positive results. The
 > only thing I would add to the above link is that heating/cooling
 > cycles are also important. Go ride until the bike is up to
 > temperature, then go home and park it until it cools down again. Do
 > this repeatedly for the first 50 to 100 miles, combine it with what
 > Motoman recommends in the article, and your engine is broken-in.

I've broke in all of my bikes and cars over the last 30 years according
to the owner's manuals and have had nothing but positive results as well.


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"Gniewko" <lubecki DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 >
 > There are factors other than technical knowledge that influence what
 > gets written in owners' manuals.
 >
heh - very true. can you imagine the field day the lawyers would have if
the manual said - "run to 80% or redline for the first 20 miles, then make a
few runs to the rev limiter after that." Every time a squid wadded in a
corner they'd be able to sue.

-craigger.
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triple rider wrote:
 > "Gniewko" <lubecki.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
 > news:f8ea2e4c.0404231000.6c820628@posting.google.com...
 >
  >>There are factors other than technical knowledge that influence what
  >>gets written in owners' manuals.
  >>
 >
 > heh - very true. can you imagine the field day the lawyers would have if
 > the manual said - "run to 80% or redline for the first 20 miles, then make a
 > few runs to the rev limiter after that." Every time a squid wadded in a
 > corner they'd be able to sue.

Except that break-in procedures were pretty much the same in the days
long before lawyers ruled the world.


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Motorpsycho Jim wrote:
 > i did the hard break in on my 03 v-max and it worked ok for me. m.o.f.
 > , buddy did slow break in on his v-max and my max will out run his .
 > in addition, my max gets better mpg than his .. g-luck with your bike
 > and ride safe..
 >
 > =========original messase========
 > do a hard break in or a "follow the manual" break in? I have read that
 > web page about a hard break in and it seems very tempting, does anyone
 > have personal experience either negative or positive after doing it that
 > way?
 > Thanks

I've got my mind pretty much set on a new 1500 Vulcan Classic when I can
start riding again. I fully intend to ride it hard from day one. But
then, I'm just that kind of guy.

--
Stan McCann
Tularosa Basin chapter ABATE of NM Cooordinator, Alamogordo, NM
'94 1500 Vulcan (now wrecked)
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JD ...
I just knew there was gonna be this 'flog it-baby it' dispute.

IMHO, the best thing to do is to take that new bike on a long trip (with
frequent stops) on a secondary roads. Just ride the damn thing, but
don't break any laws.
Take off in the a.m., and return in the p.m. with a bike that's 90%
broken in.

And yes, the bike will thank you for it.



moto

Red, green, yellow, then red again. Red, green, yellow. then red yet
again.

Is that what lifes really all about?
Horns honking, people swearing?


'02 750 Ace..... The Twin
'01 Magna.... Black Magic
'95 750 Nighthawk.Big Red (now 4 sale)
'95 Helix....... Little Red
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