Off-Brand Dirt Bikes

"GaryT" <.net> wrote in message s52...
 > "Jack Hunt only one planet belongs here" <jhunt1x> >
  > > If you read the headers, Ralph and Russel are apparently posting from
  > > the same computer.
 > I keep hearing this **headers** stuff, but I don't know what it is. I have
a
 > headers tab in outlook express but it doesn't seem to do anything when
 > activated. Care to enlighten a computer dummy?
 > Thanks
 > GaryT

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GaryT wrote:
 > "Jack Hunt only one planet belongs here" <jhunt1x.TakeThisOut@PLUTOearthlink.net> >
 >
  >>If you read the headers, Ralph and Russel are apparently posting from
  >>the same computer.
  >>
 >
 >
 >
 > I keep hearing this **headers** stuff, but I don't know what it is. I have a
 > headers tab in outlook express but it doesn't seem to do anything when
 > activated. Care to enlighten a computer dummy?
 >
 > Thanks
 >
 > GaryT
 >
 >
Yep. Dump Outlook (Depressed or otherwise) and get a decent news/mail
package that isn't targeted by every virus and worm ever made.

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"GaryT" <gtphoto.TakeThisOut@nospam.net> sez:
 >
 > "Jack Hunt only one planet belongs here" <jhunt1x.TakeThisOut@PLUTOearthlink.net> >
  > > If you read the headers, Ralph and Russel are apparently posting from
  > > the same computer.
 >
 > I keep hearing this **headers** stuff, but I don't know what it is. I have
a
 > headers tab in outlook express but it doesn't seem to do anything when
 > activated. Care to enlighten a computer dummy?

While you are viewing the message using the "Preview Pane", click on
'File->Properties' to bring up the dialog box and then click on the
'Details' tab to see the header info. You can also click on the 'Message
Source' button at the bottom to view the full raw content of the post.

The header from your message is:

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Good computin' to ya,
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"texdays" <texdays.TakeThisOut@houston.rr.com> wrote in message news:<Jyxtc.7680$mQ4.2976@fe2.texas.rr.com>...
 > I am currently considering buying a KPX Z-200 Dirt bike. Does anyone
 > have any experience with these bikes? I have one friend who purchased
 > one a year ago and says that it compares surprisingly well with a
 > Honda XR200, but I would like to hear some more inputs before I spend
 > my hard earned money.
 >
 > Here is a link to the bike: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.kpxmotors.com/z200.html" target="_blank">http://www.kpxmotors.com/z200.html</a> -
 > seems like a good value to me.
 >
I went to the link and looked around. It claimed 275 lbs and a "solid"
suspension. Might be one of those bikes you can leave and walk away
from when it takes a shite on the trail. Just go back into town and
get another. If you have to pay extra and buy something of known
quality you only have to say "ouch" once.
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Jack Hunt only one planet belongs here wrote:
 > On Fri, 28 May 2004 16:42:26 -0700, "-jc" <SpamFree RemoveThis @DieSpammers.com>
 > wrote:
 >
 >
  >>Ralph ... you sound like a KPX salesperson. Google says you haven't ever
  >>posted using that name or email.
  >>
  >>Russel is a nice guy trying to buy a bike on a budget, you wouldn't steer
  >>him wrong would you?
 >
 >
 > If you read the headers, Ralph and Russel are apparently posting from
 > the same computer.

Nice catch, Jeff and Jack.

Looks like Russ and Ralph and KPX bikes all go into the kill file.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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cheque RemoveThis @tutopia.com (ATACAMA MOTORCYCLE TOURS) wrote in
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What's that, plonking spammers?

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XS11E wrote:
 > cheque DeleteThis @tutopia.com (ATACAMA MOTORCYCLE TOURS) wrote in

 > What's that, plonking spammers?
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Yep, already reported them under each posting.
Just didn't feel like making you guys all read "abuse reported"
What an idjit. Friggin' spammers
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 >I keep hearing this **headers** stuff, but I don't know what it is. I have a
 >headers tab in outlook express but it doesn't seem to do anything when
 >activated. Care to enlighten a computer dummy?

This is a reply with your headers included. One of the keys is the
NNTP-Posting-Host.

You:
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.61.148.141
Host name: h001095a579ce.ne.client2.attbi.com

Me:
NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.255.208.115
Host name: dsl-boise-115.icehouse.net

Russ/Ralph:
NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.17.63.41
Host name: dakota02.atmosnet.com

Ralph/Russ:
NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.17.63.41
Host name: dakota02.atmosnet.com

Additional info:
41.63.17.204.in-addr.arpa PTR dakota02.atmosnet.com
63.17.204.in-addr.arpa NS NS1.ACES.com
63.17.204.in-addr.arpa NS cumulus.atmosnet.com
63.17.204.in-addr.arpa NS cloudcity.atmosnet.com
NS1.ACES.com A 192.195.240.1

All this really means is that Russ and Ralph have the same ISP, in
reality, we all know it's one person, spamming...

As far as I can tell, even if you post via google, your "posting host"
remains the same, linked to your ISP, not where you post from.

Dig around here: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://network-tools.com/" target="_blank">http://network-tools.com/</a> and here
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.zoneedit.com/lookup.html" target="_blank">http://www.zoneedit.com/lookup.html</a>

 >GaryT

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It's in SE Asia. For the most part, it's a Kawasuki rip off. Unless
the dealer is going to back it 100%, run, run like a turkey at Thanksgiving!

CrashTestDummy wrote:
 > On 27 May 2004 19:11:59 -0700, russmarkson DeleteThis @yahoo.com (Russ Markson)
 > wrote:
 >
 >
  >>I am currently considering buying a KPX Z-200 Dirt bike. Does anyone
  >>have any experience with these bikes?
 >
 >
 > Russ, I don't have any experience with that bike, but I hate
 > manufacturers who tactfully avoid mentioning the country of origin. Is
 > this thing from Mexico? China? Europe? Africa? Who knows!
 >
 > I just visited my cousin here in Dallas last week and he's having
 > a real go at being an "Odes" dealer rep. Odes are Chinese-manufactured
 > bikes and I was able to get a first-hand look at some of their
 > products and inquire about pricing and support. It was an informative
 > visit.
 >
 > I've no doubt that the Chinese motorcycle industry will eventually
 > get a foothold in the American marketplace, but it won't be soon and,
 > when it comes, it won't be cheap (as it is now). Current drawbacks
 > include inferior quality and workmanship, little or no support and
 > long waits for parts. Conversely, the only positive is the immediate
 > gratification of a lower initial price (compared to Japanese makes).
 >
 > By the time the aforementioned drawbacks are addressed and
 > rectified, the lure of low price will be a thing of the past.... a
 > "catch-22," if you will. Suggesting that you really do get what you
 > pay for.
 >
 > If you can afford a $2,000 "disposable" bike like the Z-200, then
 > you'd really be better off with a Yamaha RT-180 or XR-200 from the
 > early '90s for the same price. A new rear sprocket, for example, will
 > be MUCH easier to find relatively quickly.
 >
 > That's my 2 cents.
 >
 > Fred B. - DFW Area
 > '85 RM 250
 > '81 DT 80


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1991 RM-250 (in need of sale)
2002 CRF-450R (current love)
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On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 02:32:10 GMT, Stephen Bobic
<mxcat.DeleteThis@mindSPAMspringSPAM.comSPAM> wrote:

 >It's in SE Asia. For the most part, it's a Kawasuki rip off. Unless
 >the dealer is going to back it 100%, run, run like a turkey at Thanksgiving!


Thanks for the origin info, Stephen. "SE Asia" encompasses a lot
of societies (Malaysia, Vietnam, Indonesia, the Philippines, Laos,
Cambodia, Thailand, etc..), but none of those are places I'd want to
buy a bike from. Because, as you say, the "support" (or a lack
thereof) is the real problem. And if it ever reaches a point where
support isn't a problem anymore, then the prices will be higher to
reflect that (and competitive with Japanese offerings).

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Yup.

I think it's made in China, but I'm not 100% sure. hence, SE Asia.

CrashTestDummy wrote:
 > On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 02:32:10 GMT, Stephen Bobic
 > <mxcat.RemoveThis@mindSPAMspringSPAM.comSPAM> wrote:
 >
 >
  >>It's in SE Asia. For the most part, it's a Kawasuki rip off. Unless
  >>the dealer is going to back it 100%, run, run like a turkey at Thanksgiving!
 >
 >
 >
 > Thanks for the origin info, Stephen. "SE Asia" encompasses a lot
 > of societies (Malaysia, Vietnam, Indonesia, the Philippines, Laos,
 > Cambodia, Thailand, etc..), but none of those are places I'd want to
 > buy a bike from. Because, as you say, the "support" (or a lack
 > thereof) is the real problem. And if it ever reaches a point where
 > support isn't a problem anymore, then the prices will be higher to
 > reflect that (and competitive with Japanese offerings).
 >
 > Fred B. - DFW Area
 > '85 RM 250
 > '81 DT 80


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1979 RM-125 (in restoration)
1991 RM-250 (in need of sale)
2002 CRF-450R (current love)
2002 SX-520 (motard)

AMA, GARTRA, Supermotard-USA
Big thanks to the sponsors:
Proline Motorsports, Vemar Helmets, Oxtar, Kingsport Kaw-Suz<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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