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Pete

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:17 am
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Had new rear pads put on my YZF600r. Now it makes a squeal when you are
almost to
a stop. If you push the brake hard it doesn't do it, but with light braking
it does.
Any ideas why this does this and how to remedy it? Thanks.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:02 am
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Pete wrote:
>Had new rear pads put on my YZF600r. Now it makes a squeal when you are
>almost to
>a stop. If you push the brake hard it doesn't do it, but with light braking
>it does.
>Any ideas why this does this and how to remedy it? Thanks.

Your new pads have probably glazed from lightly contacting the disks as they
turn.

There is a little known ratio of sliding friction to breakaway friction that
riders encounter as they come to a full stop. Sliding friction is 1/3rd of
breakaway friction and, when a rider comes to a complete stop with a handful
of front brake, the retarding force on the front disks suddenly triples as
the disk stops turning. That's when the motorcycle transfers a lot of weight
to the front wheel and does a stoppie.

By the same token, when the rear wheel comes to a full stop with the rider's
hind leg pushing down hard on the brake pedal, there's a lot of retarding
force on the rear disk and the rear brake may lock up slightly.

Sometimes you hear a groaning sound when you use the rear brake to stop.
The groaning comes from the disk overcoming breakaway friction, the pads
slide, then grab, then slide, etc.

If you pop you pads out out and examine them, the surface of an aftermarket
semi-metallic brake pad will look shiny.

To stop semi-metallic pads from squealing just lay a piece of sandpaper on a
sheet of glass and work the pad in a figure 8 motion until the glaze is gone.

You can also clean the dark slick surface off the disk using some brake
cleaner and maybe a Scotch Brite pad. If you jack the rear wheel off the
ground and hold the pad against the disk while you rotate the wheel, you
won't get any strange swirly patterns on the disk.

Organic original equipment pads may look shiny all the time, you can knock
any glazing off the surface by hard application of the rear brake.

Don't go out and jam on the rear brakes an lock them up and fall down just
because I said that.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:56 pm
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"Albrecht via MotorcycleKB.com" <u33665@uwe> wrote in message
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> Pete wrote:
>>Had new rear pads put on my YZF600r. Now it makes a squeal when you are
>>almost to
>>a stop. If you push the brake hard it doesn't do it, but with light
>>braking
>>it does.
>>Any ideas why this does this and how to remedy it? Thanks.
>
> Your new pads have probably glazed from lightly contacting the disks as
> they
> turn.
>
> There is a little known ratio of sliding friction to breakaway friction
> that
> riders encounter as they come to a full stop. Sliding friction is 1/3rd of
> breakaway friction and, when a rider comes to a complete stop with a
> handful
> of front brake, the retarding force on the front disks suddenly triples as
> the disk stops turning. That's when the motorcycle transfers a lot of
> weight
> to the front wheel and does a stoppie.
>
> By the same token, when the rear wheel comes to a full stop with the
> rider's
> hind leg pushing down hard on the brake pedal, there's a lot of retarding
> force on the rear disk and the rear brake may lock up slightly.
>
> Sometimes you hear a groaning sound when you use the rear brake to stop.
> The groaning comes from the disk overcoming breakaway friction, the pads
> slide, then grab, then slide, etc.
>
> If you pop you pads out out and examine them, the surface of an
> aftermarket
> semi-metallic brake pad will look shiny.
>
> To stop semi-metallic pads from squealing just lay a piece of sandpaper on
> a
> sheet of glass and work the pad in a figure 8 motion until the glaze is
> gone.
>
> You can also clean the dark slick surface off the disk using some brake
> cleaner and maybe a Scotch Brite pad. If you jack the rear wheel off the
> ground and hold the pad against the disk while you rotate the wheel, you
> won't get any strange swirly patterns on the disk.
>
> Organic original equipment pads may look shiny all the time, you can knock
> any glazing off the surface by hard application of the rear brake.
>
> Don't go out and jam on the rear brakes an lock them up and fall down just
> because I said that.
>
> --
> Message posted via MotorcycleKB.com
> http://www.motorcyclekb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/yamaha/200706/1
>

Thanks for the reply. I'll pull them of and look at them today. That high
pitched
squealing noise is driving me nuts.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 3:19 pm
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:02 am
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"Pete" <a.anitoli.RemoveThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Had new rear pads put on my YZF600r. Now it makes a squeal when you are
> almost to
> a stop. If you push the brake hard it doesn't do it, but with light
> braking it does.
> Any ideas why this does this and how to remedy it? Thanks.
>
You could soak the brake pads in silicone oil overnight
Then they won't squeal
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:52 pm
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"sdz;flkzxc.nm,v" <ow DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Pete" <a.anitoli DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:sCjfi.4952$pT4.3233@trndny06...
>> Had new rear pads put on my YZF600r. Now it makes a squeal when you
>> are almost to
>> a stop. If you push the brake hard it doesn't do it, but with light
>> braking it does.
>> Any ideas why this does this and how to remedy it? Thanks.
>>
> You could soak the brake pads in silicone oil overnight
> Then they won't squeal
>

And when some novice reads that, takes your advice, and dies in an
accident because of it, will you will still think it funny?
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:42 am
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"Harry Stottle" <sorryspamdoesntwork RemoveThis @nospam.uk.co> wrote in message
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>
> "sdz;flkzxc.nm,v" <ow RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1182794536.969893@netadmin1.interbaun.net...
>>
>> "Pete" <a.anitoli RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:sCjfi.4952$pT4.3233@trndny06...
>>> Had new rear pads put on my YZF600r. Now it makes a squeal when you are
>>> almost to
>>> a stop. If you push the brake hard it doesn't do it, but with light
>>> braking it does.
>>> Any ideas why this does this and how to remedy it? Thanks.
>>>
>> You could soak the brake pads in silicone oil overnight
>> Then they won't squeal
>>
>
> And when some novice reads that, takes your advice, and dies in an
> accident because of it, will you will still think it funny?
It won't be an accident it will be a stupid
99.99999999999% of all crashes are stupids.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:50 am
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"sdz;flkzxc.nm,v" wrote...

> >> You could soak the brake pads in silicone oil overnight
> >> Then they won't squeal
> >>
> >
> > And when some novice reads that, takes your advice, and dies in an
> > accident because of it, will you will still think it funny?
> It won't be an accident it will be a stupid
> 99.99999999999% of all crashes are stupids.
>
>

I take it that you crash a lot, then?


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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:13 am
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"Dave H." <hopefuldave_doesn't_like_spiced_ham_so_remove_this@hotmail.com>
wrote in message news:xBDgi.3863$vA3.660@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>
> "sdz;flkzxc.nm,v" wrote...
>
>> >> You could soak the brake pads in silicone oil overnight
>> >> Then they won't squeal
>> >>
>> >
>> > And when some novice reads that, takes your advice, and dies in an
>> > accident because of it, will you will still think it funny?
>> It won't be an accident it will be a stupid
>> 99.99999999999% of all crashes are stupids.
>>
>>
>
> I take it that you crash a lot, then?
>
ME? = 31 years of riding and taught at 2 motorcycle safety schools 17
motorcycles so far - no crashes
Have ridden highways in 4 inches of fresh wet snow, torrential rains, winds
to 65 mph, 1 hurricane, dessert heat, cold to minus 10 F - and high speeds
when it was safe [150 mph] Wink
now go soak your brake pads in silicone oil Smile))))))))))
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:46 pm
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"sdz;flkzxc.nm,v" <ow.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Dave H."
> <hopefuldave_doesn't_like_spiced_ham_so_remove_this@hotmail.com> wrote
> in message news:xBDgi.3863$vA3.660@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>>
>> "sdz;flkzxc.nm,v" wrote...
>>
>>> >> You could soak the brake pads in silicone oil overnight
>>> >> Then they won't squeal
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > And when some novice reads that, takes your advice, and dies in an
>>> > accident because of it, will you will still think it funny?
>>> It won't be an accident it will be a stupid
>>> 99.99999999999% of all crashes are stupids.
>>>
>>
>> I take it that you crash a lot, then?
>>
> ME? = 31 years of riding and taught at 2 motorcycle safety schools 17
> motorcycles so far - no crashes

Then you should know better than to post such idiotic and dangerous
rubbish.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:23 am
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:56 pm
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<someone.TakeThisOut@some.domain> wrote in message
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> In article <1183047205.88392.TakeThisOut@netadmin1.interbaun.net>, "sdz;flkzxc.nm,v"
> <ow.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Dave H." <hopefuldave_doesn't_like_spiced_ham_so_remove_this@hotmail.com>
>>wrote in message news:xBDgi.3863$vA3.660@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>>>
>>> "sdz;flkzxc.nm,v" wrote...
>>>
>>>> >> You could soak the brake pads in silicone oil overnight
>>>> >> Then they won't squeal
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > And when some novice reads that, takes your advice, and dies in an
>>>> > accident because of it, will you will still think it funny?
>>>> It won't be an accident it will be a stupid
>>>> 99.99999999999% of all crashes are stupids.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I take it that you crash a lot, then?
>>>
>>ME? = 31 years of riding and taught at 2 motorcycle safety schools 17
>>motorcycles so far - no crashes
>>Have ridden highways in 4 inches of fresh wet snow, torrential rains,
>>winds
>>to 65 mph, 1 hurricane, dessert heat, cold to minus 10 F - and high speeds
>>when it was safe [150 mph] Wink
>>now go soak your brake pads in silicone oil Smile))))))))))
>>
>>
>>
>>
> wow, never had a bullshit detector implode before!
> if you actually ride, it's a passport 50cc scooter and
> you're BAD, baby!
> go soak your head in a clue bucket.

Scooters are 49c.c.'s
now go soak your sqeeky brake pads in silicone oil
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:33 am
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:30 pm
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"sdz;flkzxc.nm,v" <ow.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Dave H." <hopefuldave_doesn't_like_spiced_ham_so_remove_this@hotmail.com>
> wrote in message news:xBDgi.3863$vA3.660@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>>
>> "sdz;flkzxc.nm,v" wrote...
>>
>>> >> You could soak the brake pads in silicone oil overnight
>>> >> Then they won't squeal
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > And when some novice reads that, takes your advice, and dies in an
>>> > accident because of it, will you will still think it funny?
>>> It won't be an accident it will be a stupid
>>> 99.99999999999% of all crashes are stupids.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I take it that you crash a lot, then?
>>
> ME? = 31 years of riding and taught at 2 motorcycle safety schools 17
> motorcycles so far - no crashes
> Have ridden highways in 4 inches of fresh wet snow, torrential rains,
> winds to 65 mph, 1 hurricane, dessert heat, cold to minus 10 F - and high
> speeds when it was safe [150 mph] Wink
> now go soak your brake pads in silicone oil Smile))))))))))
>
>

What's the benefit?

Rhatt
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