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RWC

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Since: May 27, 2004
Posts: 35



(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 8:25 pm
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CrashTestDummy wrote:
  >
  > Yeah, all this stuff is in the latest issue of Dirt Bike Magazine
  > (July 2004). I just discovered it yesterday and was gonna let you know
  > about it. It's under "Set Up Tips."
  >
  > Fred B. - DFW Area
  > '85 RM 250
  > '81 DT 80

Funny you mention Dirt Bike Magazine. I haven't seen it. While bike
shopping the last few weeks, I've managed to accumulate a small pile of
magazines. Dirt Bike was not one of them.

"Transworld Motocross" is one... It's thick. But I couldn't find any
useful info, other than a long list of suppliers of shiny beads and
trinkets. I found it very difficult to tell the "articles" from the
ads, in both content and layout.

"Racer X" was just slightly better, but not much. Unfortunately, it is
focused on racing, something I don't do, or watch. For some reason, I
have a couple issues of that already.

And, finally, I have the June 2004 issue of "Dirt Rider." On the cover
it said "11 Best Off-Road Bikes," and "We ride the fastest 4-stroke in
125SX." Wow, that looked like exactly what I wanted to read, seeing as
I was shopping for "Off-Road Bikes" not an MX'er, and, what the heck, I
was planning on one of them being a 125 4-stroke. And those were the
two main cover stories!!

But "Dirt Rider" turned out to be the worst by far! My wife and I
searched it cover to cover, and could not find either story AT ALL. Not
that the stories were bad, they were NOT EVEN THERE! My wife was soo
pissed off she looked for a way to email them to complain, but couldn't
find one.

The closest thing I could find to the "11 Best Off-Road Bikes" cover
story was a story on "24-Hour Modified-Bike Torture Test" on 7 bikes.
Why so many hyphens in the title? And, bikes with thousands of dollars
of modifications is absolutely no help to me at all.

The closest thing I found to the "We ride the fastest 4-stroke in 125SX"
cover article was something called "The Green Teaser" about Kawasaki's
new Chevy Racing Team 250's and a 125. Again with the list of thousands
of dollars of modifications.

I could not possibly have been more disappointed. "Dirt Rider" can't
possibly be for dirt bike riders, maybe for MX's and SX's who want
shopping list of modifications to spend a few extra thousand (that I
don't have or want to do). But nothing about dirt riding...

I was sort of shocked by the incredibly low quality of all of the
magazines I saw. I would think there would be more guys out there who
are Saturday/Sunday trail riders, or maybe Enduro riders. Something
focused on people who ride, but don't race. I would think (I guess I'm
wrong) that there are a lot more people out there just riding and having
fun than there are people racing. And, a there should be a good
magazine for them.

But, apparently, the magazines are all funded by advertisers, not
readers. And, because of that, they are all about convincing people to
buy racing accessories.

They seem to have no interest in reporting on good trail rides, places
to go, riding techniques, reviews on STOCK bikes without any
modification, etc...<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:32 pm
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On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 19:25:11 -0700, RWC <user.TakeThisOut@example.net> wrote:

 >CrashTestDummy wrote:
  > >
  > > Yeah, all this stuff is in the latest issue of Dirt Bike Magazine
  > > (July 2004). I just discovered it yesterday and was gonna let you know
  > > about it. It's under "Set Up Tips."
  > >
  > > Fred B. - DFW Area
  > > '85 RM 250
  > > '81 DT 80
 >
 >Funny you mention Dirt Bike Magazine. I haven't seen it. While bike
 >shopping the last few weeks, I've managed to accumulate a small pile of
 >magazines. Dirt Bike was not one of them.

RWC, shoot me an email with a fax number if you have one and I'll
fax you the WR450F set-up page out of the aforementioned Dirt Bike
rag. Just remove the "Remove" from my email address before replying.


 >And, finally, I have the June 2004 issue of "Dirt Rider." On the cover
 >it said "11 Best Off-Road Bikes," and "We ride the fastest 4-stroke in
 >125SX."

I have that very issue sitting right here and I must agree... it's
totally mis-constructed. To arrive at the "eleven" bikes mentioned on
the cover, they test three stock bikes beginning on page 36 (CRF250X,
250 E/XC and the WR250F), and then conclude the test with eight
modified (mostly pro rider) bikes beginning on page 60.

I suppose the idea was to contrast the box stock bikes with their
modified brethren in order to stress the value of modifications
(ie--to sell you more bling, bling and schiznit!).

The "Green Teaser" is definitely the 125 SX bike mentioned on the
cover, though that's not a huge claim. First, they base their claim of
"fastest" on the 125cc Western Region... tactfully ignoring the 125cc
Eastern Division. No Bubba Stewart competition, but he rode a 2-stroke
last year anyway. And then, in Stephane Roncada, they have probably
the fastest 125-class rider to begin with. That's not to say the
PC-prepped KX250F isn't a fast bike, but the cover line is somewhat
misleading.

I too have been disenchanted with the current crop of dirt bike
magazines. Even Dirt Bike Magazine surprised me with the cover line,
"New Life For Your Old Bike" on the July (2004) issue. I eagerly
turned to associated write-up only to discover that the bike they were
giving "new life" to was a 2002 YZ250F! WTF?!?! That's not OLD!!!

But DB goes on to show us how $3,332.87 can restore the
two-year-old YZF to better than new! Goo gawd, I should hope so!!!

I don't begrudge the riders who have the budget for stuff like
this, but it'd be nice to see some stuff for the financially
challanged... some articles about truly older bikes every now and
then. Some "budget solutions." That kind of stuff.

At Red River last time I met a nice fellow across the parking area
from us who was riding a 1985 YZ-250. I myself was riding a 1985
RM-250. And I think we saw that same guy from Lake Murray on his early
'80s Yamaha IT-250! And that wasn't all... I was paying attention and
noticed several older bikes on hand. An old KE-100, what I believe was
an old Suzuki TS-185, and several bikes from the early '90s. So
there's definitely a market out there for enthusiasts who aren't
necessarily racers or Howard Hughes. And what people who make a lot of
money don't realize is that it's often easier for someone with a
lesser income to buy that $500 mid '80s bike and fix it up a bit at a
time as money allows than it is for that same guy to purchase a
$1,500-2,000 used bike all at once. The important thing is that, like
the YZ-250 guy at Red River, he's RIDING! And to me, he's no less
valuable than the guy pitting next to him with the 2004 Husaberg (yes,
there really was a guy next to him with a new Husaberg -- 430 or 450
or something -- 4-stroke).

I've rambling far too long though... let me know on that fax
number, RWC!


Fred B. - DFW Area
'85 RM 250
'81 DT 80<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 5:00 am
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And what people who make a lot of
 > money don't realize is that it's often easier for someone with a
 > lesser income to buy that $500 mid '80s bike and fix it up a bit at a
 > time as money allows than it is for that same guy to purchase a
 > $1,500-2,000 used bike all at once. The important thing is that, like
 > the YZ-250 guy at Red River, he's RIDING!

When I get my town started I will be publishing a new mag called "Rat
Bike Monthly". It will have articles on making repairs with wire and
duct tape and riding trails that end up at a tavern. How bout, "Ten
cool ways to mismatch your riding gear". "How to drink lots of beer
and still stay in riding shape"
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 7:22 am
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 >
 > When I get my town started I will be publishing a new mag called "Rat
 > Bike Monthly". It will have articles on making repairs with wire and
 > duct tape and riding trails that end up at a tavern. How bout, "Ten
 > cool ways to mismatch your riding gear". "How to drink lots of beer
 > and still stay in riding shape"
 > DF

Im in. Where do I send twenty bucks for the suds-cription.

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 8:20 am
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alan.RemoveThis@redshift.com (dirtfirst) wrote...
 > And what people who make a lot of
  > > money don't realize is that it's often easier for someone with a
  > > lesser income to buy that $500 mid '80s bike and fix it up a bit at a
  > > time as money allows than it is for that same guy to purchase a
  > > $1,500-2,000 used bike all at once. The important thing is that, like
  > > the YZ-250 guy at Red River, he's RIDING!
 >
 > When I get my town started I will be publishing a new mag called "Rat
 > Bike Monthly". It will have articles on making repairs with wire and
 > duct tape and riding trails that end up at a tavern. How bout, "Ten
 > cool ways to mismatch your riding gear". "How to drink lots of beer
 > and still stay in riding shape"
 > DF

In a perfect world, artists would be rich. You will starve for this
art. Unfortunately, the guy who duct tapes his bike together is not a
particularly attractive target market for companies selling $124.99
billet aluminum brake levers. I'm with you, though. I would subscribe.

I have a rat bike. My 1979 MX100. It was my first dirt bike beyond the
Briggs + Stratton deal. I still ride it on the free "rider
appreciation days" at local parks. No matter how much I love it, it's
hard to bring myself to spend an extra $20 for the right to ride it on
another man's property. I have another bike for serious riding/racing,
but the MX is a blast for roosting my kids on more level footing.

Last fall, my buddy and I put a story up on our now rarely updated Web
site about a 1987 RM80 he got for some heating and cooling crap.
Here's the SPAM:

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.midwestmotocross.com/87rmtest.html" target="_blank">http://www.midwestmotocross.com/87rmtest.html</a>

Go to the archives and you'll see some stuff about a 1981 KDX420 and a
1977 IT250. We recently did a lot of work (on the cheap, of course) to
his 1988 KX250. That story will be up soon.

Last winter, I got a cool e-mail from a dude in Texas who had rigged
together an an old two-stroke 80 or maybe an XR100 or something. If I
can find his stuff, I'm going to put it up there, too.

Here's a rat bike story from last weekend: My buddy was riding his '88
KX250 in a pink helmet, one boot and one glove because that's all he
could find. The only other guy who looked more foolish (well, this is
what I told my buddy) was some kid on an old I-don't-know-what. It was
loud as hell and even uglier. When we were loading up, we noticed
smoke from a bonfire (right?). Well, pulling out, we saw the guy's
scorched bike laying next to the access road. Apparently, his
silencerless exhaust, which was cut off at about the 1-1/2 foot mark
and bent back up toward his gas tank, directed a back fire right at
some leaking fuel. We talked to him for a bit. He said it was a 1976
DT250 engine in a Suzuki frame.

But, hands down, the baddest rat bikes I've ever seen are the old
early '80s Yamaha street bikes this dude modded out for the dirt. I
don't have his link anymore, but my favorite picture was the one where
his front brake spun free from the fork in a vain attempt to stop the
beast.

James
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 8:58 am
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Hmm, now I'm half tempted to actually find out what publishing costs are...

Anyone seen Motorcycle Consumer News? It's expensive, $7/copy,
$41/year. It's thin, maybe 40 pages. It's black and white, no color at
all. And it does not have a single ad, won't take an ad or free product
from any company, and it's worth every penny.

I think it needs a dirt rider counterpart. Smile
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 9:58 am
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MXA is starting to suck too. That's the only magazine I still get and it's
not looking good for renewal. I sure hope Cycle News doesn't go gay.

"RWC" <user.RemoveThis@example.net> wrote in message
news:cyuxc.371$tI2.237@fed1read07...
 > CrashTestDummy wrote:
  > >
  > > Yeah, all this stuff is in the latest issue of Dirt Bike Magazine
  > > (July 2004). I just discovered it yesterday and was gonna let you know
  > > about it. It's under "Set Up Tips."
  > >
  > > Fred B. - DFW Area
  > > '85 RM 250
  > > '81 DT 80
 >
 > Funny you mention Dirt Bike Magazine. I haven't seen it. While bike
 > shopping the last few weeks, I've managed to accumulate a small pile of
 > magazines. Dirt Bike was not one of them.
 >
 > "Transworld Motocross" is one... It's thick. But I couldn't find any
 > useful info, other than a long list of suppliers of shiny beads and
 > trinkets. I found it very difficult to tell the "articles" from the
 > ads, in both content and layout.
 >
 > "Racer X" was just slightly better, but not much. Unfortunately, it is
 > focused on racing, something I don't do, or watch. For some reason, I
 > have a couple issues of that already.
 >
 > And, finally, I have the June 2004 issue of "Dirt Rider." On the cover
 > it said "11 Best Off-Road Bikes," and "We ride the fastest 4-stroke in
 > 125SX." Wow, that looked like exactly what I wanted to read, seeing as
 > I was shopping for "Off-Road Bikes" not an MX'er, and, what the heck, I
 > was planning on one of them being a 125 4-stroke. And those were the
 > two main cover stories!!
 >
 > But "Dirt Rider" turned out to be the worst by far! My wife and I
 > searched it cover to cover, and could not find either story AT ALL. Not
 > that the stories were bad, they were NOT EVEN THERE! My wife was soo
 > pissed off she looked for a way to email them to complain, but couldn't
 > find one.
 >
 > The closest thing I could find to the "11 Best Off-Road Bikes" cover
 > story was a story on "24-Hour Modified-Bike Torture Test" on 7 bikes.
 > Why so many hyphens in the title? And, bikes with thousands of dollars
 > of modifications is absolutely no help to me at all.
 >
 > The closest thing I found to the "We ride the fastest 4-stroke in 125SX"
 > cover article was something called "The Green Teaser" about Kawasaki's
 > new Chevy Racing Team 250's and a 125. Again with the list of thousands
 > of dollars of modifications.
 >
 > I could not possibly have been more disappointed. "Dirt Rider" can't
 > possibly be for dirt bike riders, maybe for MX's and SX's who want
 > shopping list of modifications to spend a few extra thousand (that I
 > don't have or want to do). But nothing about dirt riding...
 >
 > I was sort of shocked by the incredibly low quality of all of the
 > magazines I saw. I would think there would be more guys out there who
 > are Saturday/Sunday trail riders, or maybe Enduro riders. Something
 > focused on people who ride, but don't race. I would think (I guess I'm
 > wrong) that there are a lot more people out there just riding and having
 > fun than there are people racing. And, a there should be a good
 > magazine for them.
 >
 > But, apparently, the magazines are all funded by advertisers, not
 > readers. And, because of that, they are all about convincing people to
 > buy racing accessories.
 >
 > They seem to have no interest in reporting on good trail rides, places
 > to go, riding techniques, reviews on STOCK bikes without any
 > modification, etc...<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 10:53 am
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Fred, I happen to agree with you 100% as I'm sure most people do.

I started out just recently, late Summer 2003, riding dirtbikes for the
first time. I always wanted one but always lived in the city, so as I was
growing up I never had the means nor the place to ride. As my brother and I
have grown up and now we have families of our own, we decided it was time to
get what we always wanted. He started out on a 'free' 1993 European model
bike that didn't run that well and could be passed on a triple by a 4-year
old on a tricycle. I started on an inexpensive 1992 Honda CR125 that ran
well but was well-used. My point is, at the time neither of us had the
money (nor the desire) to drop $10K on a shiny new bike and the top of the
line mods as advertised in all the mags, we "just wanted to ride", and ride
we did.

Being new to the sport, what is the first thing you do? You buy magazines
to ease the pain of not being able to ride all the time. A major
disappointment occurred when I realized the truth, that most of these mags
have extreme bikes with extreme parts and they rarely just show you the
basics on basic bikes. They rarely show you anything about enduro racing or
anything of the sort.

As of now my brother and I are still in the sport, no thanks to such
magazines. I retired the old CR and bought a 2004 Kawi KLX300 which I love.
My brother retired (thank God) his old European bike for a 2004 Honda XR400.
I guess my major complaint is that the magazines didn't help me one bit in
staying in the sport. They didn't help me choose a bike nor a place to
ride. I guess the only real help the mags have been is to look at neat
pictures and the small (and very infrequent) articles will be helpful if I
ever have $10K burning a hole in my pocket. /end rant

--
Cory -
Fenton, Michigan
04 Kawasaki KLX-300R



"CrashTestDummy" <van-designsREMOVE.DeleteThis@ev1.net> wrote in message
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 > On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 19:25:11 -0700, RWC <user.DeleteThis@example.net> wrote:
 >
  > >CrashTestDummy wrote:
   > > >
   > > > Yeah, all this stuff is in the latest issue of Dirt Bike Magazine
   > > > (July 2004). I just discovered it yesterday and was gonna let you know
   > > > about it. It's under "Set Up Tips."
   > > >
   > > > Fred B. - DFW Area
   > > > '85 RM 250
   > > > '81 DT 80
  > >
  > >Funny you mention Dirt Bike Magazine. I haven't seen it. While bike
  > >shopping the last few weeks, I've managed to accumulate a small pile of
  > >magazines. Dirt Bike was not one of them.
 >
 > RWC, shoot me an email with a fax number if you have one and I'll
 > fax you the WR450F set-up page out of the aforementioned Dirt Bike
 > rag. Just remove the "Remove" from my email address before replying.
 >
 >
  > >And, finally, I have the June 2004 issue of "Dirt Rider." On the cover
  > >it said "11 Best Off-Road Bikes," and "We ride the fastest 4-stroke in
  > >125SX."
 >
 > I have that very issue sitting right here and I must agree... it's
 > totally mis-constructed. To arrive at the "eleven" bikes mentioned on
 > the cover, they test three stock bikes beginning on page 36 (CRF250X,
 > 250 E/XC and the WR250F), and then conclude the test with eight
 > modified (mostly pro rider) bikes beginning on page 60.
 >
 > I suppose the idea was to contrast the box stock bikes with their
 > modified brethren in order to stress the value of modifications
 > (ie--to sell you more bling, bling and schiznit!).
 >
 > The "Green Teaser" is definitely the 125 SX bike mentioned on the
 > cover, though that's not a huge claim. First, they base their claim of
 > "fastest" on the 125cc Western Region... tactfully ignoring the 125cc
 > Eastern Division. No Bubba Stewart competition, but he rode a 2-stroke
 > last year anyway. And then, in Stephane Roncada, they have probably
 > the fastest 125-class rider to begin with. That's not to say the
 > PC-prepped KX250F isn't a fast bike, but the cover line is somewhat
 > misleading.
 >
 > I too have been disenchanted with the current crop of dirt bike
 > magazines. Even Dirt Bike Magazine surprised me with the cover line,
 > "New Life For Your Old Bike" on the July (2004) issue. I eagerly
 > turned to associated write-up only to discover that the bike they were
 > giving "new life" to was a 2002 YZ250F! WTF?!?! That's not OLD!!!
 >
 > But DB goes on to show us how $3,332.87 can restore the
 > two-year-old YZF to better than new! Goo gawd, I should hope so!!!
 >
 > I don't begrudge the riders who have the budget for stuff like
 > this, but it'd be nice to see some stuff for the financially
 > challanged... some articles about truly older bikes every now and
 > then. Some "budget solutions." That kind of stuff.
 >
 > At Red River last time I met a nice fellow across the parking area
 > from us who was riding a 1985 YZ-250. I myself was riding a 1985
 > RM-250. And I think we saw that same guy from Lake Murray on his early
 > '80s Yamaha IT-250! And that wasn't all... I was paying attention and
 > noticed several older bikes on hand. An old KE-100, what I believe was
 > an old Suzuki TS-185, and several bikes from the early '90s. So
 > there's definitely a market out there for enthusiasts who aren't
 > necessarily racers or Howard Hughes. And what people who make a lot of
 > money don't realize is that it's often easier for someone with a
 > lesser income to buy that $500 mid '80s bike and fix it up a bit at a
 > time as money allows than it is for that same guy to purchase a
 > $1,500-2,000 used bike all at once. The important thing is that, like
 > the YZ-250 guy at Red River, he's RIDING! And to me, he's no less
 > valuable than the guy pitting next to him with the 2004 Husaberg (yes,
 > there really was a guy next to him with a new Husaberg -- 430 or 450
 > or something -- 4-stroke).
 >
 > I've rambling far too long though... let me know on that fax
 > number, RWC!
 >
 >
 > Fred B. - DFW Area
 > '85 RM 250
 > '81 DT 80<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On 9 Jun 2004 04:00:19 -0700, alan.RemoveThis@redshift.com (dirtfirst) wrote:

 >When I get my town started I will be publishing a new mag called "Rat
 >Bike Monthly". It will have articles on making repairs with wire and
 >duct tape and riding trails that end up at a tavern. How bout, "Ten
 >cool ways to mismatch your riding gear". "How to drink lots of beer
 >and still stay in riding shape"

I liked that!

Hey, may I write an article?
"how to work without specialty tools: you don't need more than a hammer and a screwdriver".
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/trailpraias/stm.jpg" target="_blank">http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/trailpraias/stm.jpg</a>

I can write articles on food too.

 >DF

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 12:22 pm
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What really sucks is paying $4.99 for a rag full of ads! Really the mag
should be free with all the ads that are in them. I personally prefer the
one with the girl in the middle and so does my garage!

"RWC" <user.RemoveThis@example.net> wrote in message
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 > CrashTestDummy wrote:
  > >
  > > Yeah, all this stuff is in the latest issue of Dirt Bike Magazine
  > > (July 2004). I just discovered it yesterday and was gonna let you know
  > > about it. It's under "Set Up Tips."
  > >
  > > Fred B. - DFW Area
  > > '85 RM 250
  > > '81 DT 80
 >
 > Funny you mention Dirt Bike Magazine. I haven't seen it. While bike
 > shopping the last few weeks, I've managed to accumulate a small pile of
 > magazines. Dirt Bike was not one of them.
 >
 > "Transworld Motocross" is one... It's thick. But I couldn't find any
 > useful info, other than a long list of suppliers of shiny beads and
 > trinkets. I found it very difficult to tell the "articles" from the
 > ads, in both content and layout.
 >
 > "Racer X" was just slightly better, but not much. Unfortunately, it is
 > focused on racing, something I don't do, or watch. For some reason, I
 > have a couple issues of that already.
 >
 > And, finally, I have the June 2004 issue of "Dirt Rider." On the cover
 > it said "11 Best Off-Road Bikes," and "We ride the fastest 4-stroke in
 > 125SX." Wow, that looked like exactly what I wanted to read, seeing as
 > I was shopping for "Off-Road Bikes" not an MX'er, and, what the heck, I
 > was planning on one of them being a 125 4-stroke. And those were the
 > two main cover stories!!
 >
 > But "Dirt Rider" turned out to be the worst by far! My wife and I
 > searched it cover to cover, and could not find either story AT ALL. Not
 > that the stories were bad, they were NOT EVEN THERE! My wife was soo
 > pissed off she looked for a way to email them to complain, but couldn't
 > find one.
 >
 > The closest thing I could find to the "11 Best Off-Road Bikes" cover
 > story was a story on "24-Hour Modified-Bike Torture Test" on 7 bikes.
 > Why so many hyphens in the title? And, bikes with thousands of dollars
 > of modifications is absolutely no help to me at all.
 >
 > The closest thing I found to the "We ride the fastest 4-stroke in 125SX"
 > cover article was something called "The Green Teaser" about Kawasaki's
 > new Chevy Racing Team 250's and a 125. Again with the list of thousands
 > of dollars of modifications.
 >
 > I could not possibly have been more disappointed. "Dirt Rider" can't
 > possibly be for dirt bike riders, maybe for MX's and SX's who want
 > shopping list of modifications to spend a few extra thousand (that I
 > don't have or want to do). But nothing about dirt riding...
 >
 > I was sort of shocked by the incredibly low quality of all of the
 > magazines I saw. I would think there would be more guys out there who
 > are Saturday/Sunday trail riders, or maybe Enduro riders. Something
 > focused on people who ride, but don't race. I would think (I guess I'm
 > wrong) that there are a lot more people out there just riding and having
 > fun than there are people racing. And, a there should be a good
 > magazine for them.
 >
 > But, apparently, the magazines are all funded by advertisers, not
 > readers. And, because of that, they are all about convincing people to
 > buy racing accessories.
 >
 > They seem to have no interest in reporting on good trail rides, places
 > to go, riding techniques, reviews on STOCK bikes without any
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 2:09 pm
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 > cool ways to mismatch your riding gear". "How to drink lots of beer
 > and still stay in riding shape"


Mr. Editor please sign me up for a subscription right away!

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 2:35 pm
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"dirtfirst" <alan.RemoveThis@redshift.com> wrote in message
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 > And what people who make a lot of
  > > money don't realize is that it's often easier for someone with a
  > > lesser income to buy that $500 mid '80s bike and fix it up a bit at a
  > > time as money allows than it is for that same guy to purchase a
  > > $1,500-2,000 used bike all at once. The important thing is that, like
  > > the YZ-250 guy at Red River, he's RIDING!
 >
 > When I get my town started I will be publishing a new mag called "Rat
 > Bike Monthly". It will have articles on making repairs with wire and
 > duct tape and riding trails that end up at a tavern. How bout, "Ten
 > cool ways to mismatch your riding gear". "How to drink lots of beer
 > and still stay in riding shape"
 > DF

I'll just forward some ride reports and that should give you a year's worth
of wire/duct tape repair, taverns, and mismatched gear.

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 3:05 pm
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"RWC" <user.TakeThisOut@example.net> sez:

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 > They seem to have no interest in reporting on good trail rides, places
 > to go, riding techniques, reviews on STOCK bikes without any
 > modification, etc...

Of course not ... who are they going to sell ad space to?? I like Rick
Sieman's suggestion for a good general market appeal rag (in his
_Monkey_Butt!!_ book at bottom of pg. 211):

"We could call it _Tits,_Knobbies_and_Ammo_Illustrated_.
That way, we could sell a magazine to everyone with a boner,
a dirt bike and a gun. How the fuck could we miss with that
combo?"

Once you read that book, you'll understand what drives the publishers to
crank out all those shitty magazines that suggest that you buy a brand new
bike and then add another couple of thousand on aftermarket stuff to make it
run like a grenade with the pin pulled to not be a total lewzer amongst the
"in" riders out there.

Good (bad) periodicals to ya,
VLJ
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 5:02 pm
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You could always ride a new bike that a buddy from far, far away recently
purchased <g> I have one parked at home right now and I can't even get a
day to sneak it out and ride it.... Irony, huh?

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"RWC" <user.RemoveThis@example.net> wrote in message news:cyuxc.371$tI2.237@fed1read07...

 > They seem to have no interest in reporting on good trail rides, places
 > to go, riding techniques, reviews on STOCK bikes without any
 > modification, etc...


I guess this stuff (Transworld MX etc) is cool if you are younger than
me but it looks too much like MTV for my tastes......A lot of pages
but nothing on them. There is Vintage Mx (very expensive, can be gotten from <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.strictlyhodaka.com" target="_blank">www.strictlyhodaka.com</a>) that does have old trail bikes
in it, Trail rider and
some other adventure magazines (www.dualsportmagazine.com ) will come up
in a web search if you dont mind waiting for them to come in the mail.

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